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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102951: May 26th 2019 at 1:13:39 PM

[up] They also seem to have tinkered with the timeline in hindsight...I suspect we are still before the snap, but I am not sure...I guess we will have to wait and see how this season develops.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102952: May 26th 2019 at 1:37:36 PM

[up] I would have thought that, too, until the last episode where a character says, "You are out of time" and means it literally.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102953: May 26th 2019 at 1:46:32 PM

[up] Maybe...I think we have to wait and see….

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102954: May 26th 2019 at 1:49:36 PM

Whenever people hype up twist villains I always get nervous. I tend to hate twist villains.

Kaze ni Nare!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102955: May 26th 2019 at 1:54:17 PM

[up] Ao S is the show where tropes go to die. It is utterly unpredictable, but also honest about it. Meaning they never do the "urgh, this makes no sense twist" but always the "why the hell didn't I see that coming????" twist.

Likes, they LITERALLY paint a giant arrow over the thing you are supposed to notice, but they starts to distract you with a lot of other stuff so that you overlook the important information you should have paid attention to. It's glorious, every single time.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102956: May 26th 2019 at 2:18:52 PM

For the record, I don't like things that are contemptuous of tropes. So I hope the show isn't ACTUALLY like that.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102957: May 26th 2019 at 2:32:25 PM

[up] I am not sure what you mean...what I mean is that the show usually avoids those really, really overdone narratives. Like, you never get the "x person has a secret and that causes drama for a whole season"...usually the characters actually TALK to each other (yeah, I know, shocking), and if there is a secret, it is never dragged out for ages. The show has also next to no filler episodes. There is always some movement in the plot and even episodes which originally seem to be filler often turn out very relevant in hindsight. And the characters actually develop!!!! There is never a reset, the character are now very different from what they were in season 1, but in a way which makes completely sense.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102958: May 26th 2019 at 2:38:35 PM

[up] Sorry, I don't know what's wrong with me today. I'm feeling kinda pissy for no good reason.

I think I just have an instinctive bad reaction to someone selling a show by burying other shows. Like, saying "characters actually develop!!" or "There's no filler!" That doesn't make the show sound good, that just sounds contemptuous of other shows.

Kaze ni Nare!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102959: May 26th 2019 at 3:17:55 PM

If it helps any, Agents of SHIELD also has some very, very nice fight scenes. Although the show itself varies when it comes to cinematography (sometimes nice, sometimes merely okay, sometimes the half the season looks like it was shot inside a warehouse due to budgetary reasons), the directors of the episodes (especially Kevin Tanchareon) usually make the fight scenes special and innovative.

Here is a fight scene where Agent May has to fight an enemy that looks exactly like her:

And here's a scene that is a great oner (a single camera scene that has no cuts for anything). Fun fact: the actress actually broke her arm in the middle of the scene and kept going:

Edited by alliterator on May 26th 2019 at 3:18:25 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#102960: May 26th 2019 at 3:18:50 PM

How did Agents survive when Disney killed all their other shows off? Did they forgot or something?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102961: May 26th 2019 at 3:19:18 PM

Well it’s not on Netflix for one.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102962: May 26th 2019 at 3:25:25 PM

How did Agents survive when Disney killed all their other shows off? Did they forgot or something?
Well, they didn't "kill off all their other shows."

All of the Netflix shows were cancelled by Netflix because of two reasons: 1) Netflix probably didn't like the competition of Disney+ and 2) Netflix has this weird thing about only having three seasons, even with a popular show (see: One Day at a Time). So they cancelled Daredevil with three season, even though it was very popular with viewers. And they cancelled the rest because...well, probably the first reason.

But Runaways (2017) is still on Hulu and Cloak & Dagger (2018) is still on Freeform. Which means, alongside SHIELD, Marvel has three TV shows not cancelled. Only one of them is on ABC, one of them is on Freeform, and one of them is on Hulu.

(Soon, there will be two more on Hulu: Ghost Rider (can't wait) and Helstrom.)

Edited by alliterator on May 26th 2019 at 3:26:23 AM

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#102963: May 26th 2019 at 3:29:58 PM

Question: Why do people think Iron Man 2 is a bad movie? For most of the other lower tier Marvel movies, I have an idea why people dislike them that I can summarize in a sentence or two, but I don't really have that for Iron Man 2.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102964: May 26th 2019 at 3:34:32 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Not a fan of one sided hero beat downs. So not really a fan of either of those.

Who knows, maybe when I'm feeling less depressed I'll try it out.

[up] For me personally, Tony was a dick and not in an engaging way, and the villain is garbage.

Edited by GNinja on May 26th 2019 at 10:36:50 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#102965: May 26th 2019 at 3:35:23 PM

Not seem it but the impression Ive always had is that Iron man 1's success was a fluke formula win,when the second tried the same thing again it did not work

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102966: May 26th 2019 at 3:39:39 PM

Not a fan of one sided hero beat downs. So not really a fan of either of those.
Uh, the May vs May fight isn't a "one-sided hero beatdown." Watch the scene, they both get their hits in. And The Oner is just a really good oner.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102967: May 26th 2019 at 3:40:34 PM

[up] Profile pic change.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102968: May 26th 2019 at 3:41:59 PM

[up][up] The real one felt in control for most of that fight. The doppelganger only really got a few hits in right before their "I know all your moves" line.

Edited by GNinja on May 26th 2019 at 10:42:43 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#102969: May 26th 2019 at 3:42:04 PM

Common critiques for Iron Man 2 is that the villains were weak, there was an overabundance of set-ups for The Avengers (2012) (which I disagree with, but others feel differently), and poor handling of Tony's self-destructive tendencies in the closest the series has gotten to adapting the Demon in a Bottle arc.

Personally, while I don't think it's bad, I feel like the film doesn't really feel focused on what story it's trying to tell. So it has a lot of elements that don't quite come together to form a large whole.

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#102970: May 26th 2019 at 4:11:17 PM

Which is a shame, because Iron Man 2 had all of the elements to be a great movie. All of the things it failed at, other Marvel movies succeeded at just by doing them better. If Iron Man 2 just had a bit better dialogue and characterization, all of its elements might have fit together perfectly and made the movie awesome.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 26th 2019 at 4:12:00 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#102971: May 26th 2019 at 4:13:18 PM

I still find it weird that Petty Jenkins was fired from Thor 2 and went over to DC to do Wonder Woman,fate works in mysteries ways

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102972: May 26th 2019 at 4:38:38 PM

Yeah, well, sorry, but what I love about Ao S the most is everything it does different from other shows of its kind. And I can't go into detail what is exactly so great about the narrative of Ao S because this will automatically result in spoiling the show.

anyway, Ao S is in a strange position in that it has been on the chopping block for cancellation for quite a while and yet it keeps surviving...for a few reasons:

1. While the live ratings can make you weep sometimes, the DVR rates are often through the roof. Which is not as interesting for ABC, but certainly for Disney. A recent study has even shown that Ao S might be one of the most popular shows internationally - among other things it is pretty popular in the Chinese Market, partly due to Chloe Bennet.

2. As such Ao S is a wonderful cross promotion tool for Disney. Word on the street is that someone at Disney really likes the show and has pushed ABC to renew it. No confirmation there, but I can actually imagine that being true. Ao S is great in keeping MCU fans interested between movies.

3. We are currently in a period in which live ratings drop across the board. But Ao S has a small but very dedicated fanbase. So while it doesn't pull the best numbers, it pulls reliable numbers...and that is worth a lot nowadays.

Edited by Swanpride on May 26th 2019 at 4:39:25 AM

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#102973: May 26th 2019 at 4:52:33 PM

When it's time to put in the X-Men, I just hope we get a single, straight timeline, none of this jumping around the timeline, time travel, alternate futures, etc. All of that makes the current X-Men films, enjoyable as they are, kind of confusing.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#102974: May 26th 2019 at 5:38:00 PM

Do you think we'll see Peter Quill tap into his Celestial powers again in Guardians Volume 3? They pretty clearly established that he shouldn't be able to, since he was only using Ego's own built-up energy against him.

At the same time, (Endgame spoilers) Thor has now joined the Guardians, and he's so much stronger than the rest that it makes me wonder what the plot will be that he can't just solve it himself. Also, we know that Adam Warlock will be a part of the next movie. Is he villain material, or is he going to be another good guy?

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#102975: May 26th 2019 at 5:52:27 PM

I found Iron Man 2 entertaining, even if it was a mess and rather unfocused.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.

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