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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
@Ookamikun: Captain America: The First Avenger got good reviews from critics, but on IMDB, it still has a rating of 6.9, which makes it tied with Thor: The Dark World as the second lowest-rated MCU film on the site (only The Incredible Hulk has a worse score).
Edited by chasemaddigan on May 26th 2019 at 11:30:12 AM
Having Ragnarok double as a Planet Hulk movie was easily the best thing it did.
But honestly the worst part about the Universal thing is that they also have She-Hulk's rights.
Edited by LordVatek on May 26th 2019 at 11:37:41 AM
This song needs more love.
On paper Ragnarok is the darkest Thor movie there is, but it really doesn't feel that way because almost everything is played for jokey jokes, and because there's two plots going on, neither felt like they got enough focus. Especially Hela. Who could've been really interesting, but she's gone for so much of the film.
At least, that's how I felt.
Kaze ni Nare!Ragnarok is a good example of what I was saying before about rapport. Thor and Hulk have a Lon history, mostly rivalry, and have appeared in the same space a lot, but the two are worlds apart conceptually and even on a basic characterization level: so a story - especially a film - carried by just them pretty much has to be either a Hulk-in-Thor’s-world or Thor-in-Hulk’s-world story.
Which isn’t, in itself, necessarily a bad thing, except then Ragnarok tries to do both at the same time, and ends up unfocused.
Edited by KnownUnknown on May 26th 2019 at 9:21:33 AM
There’s a lot of stuff they could have done with Iron Man and his mythos that makes me kind of sad, but... welll... movies are impermanent, I guess.
I still really, really wish they had done the Living Laser, one of my favorite Marvel villains. Or MODOK. Or - and this is a lot more obscure - there’s a specific plot with the Sunturion and Stratosfire I thought would be a fantastic film. Though as a matter of fact, I could see all of those showing up against Captain Marvel.
People say it's not about the villain, it's about the story, and I know I'm obsessed with villains specifically, but I swear the best regarded MCU films have also been the ones that have the best villains.
Because the villain is part of the story. It's one of the key concepts of superhero fiction. Not every conflict needs a villain, no, and I'd rather them not have one at all than include a bad one, but if you're going to include one, you might as well do them well. A villain feels like too major a piece in a story to half ass.
Kaze ni Nare!
What I meant is that you can spread the villains out a little bit. I rather have the "real" Mandarin in a Shang Chi movie than in another Ironman movie. I also don't really care which Avenger team eventually faces Kang.
Btw, something along the line of MODOK was already in Ao S.
Edited by Swanpride on May 26th 2019 at 10:13:24 AM
Actually, are any of the bad guys in Ao S any good? I only know that there's this mutant who gets jobbed out hard by Ghost Rider. That's the only one I know.
Kaze ni Nare!Ao S's best villains are spoilers, unfortunately, but the answer is basically 'yes'.
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Oh...you are missing out!!! They have in season 4 a villain which is a strong contender for the best villain of the whole MCU (and certainly the best villain performance). And overall, Ao S has pretty much always great villains, the fandom just tends to not talk about them TOO much to outsiders, because a lot of them aren't introduced as obvious villains, and it would be a shame to spoil Ao S for everyone.
Edited by Swanpride on May 26th 2019 at 12:00:16 PM
It's worth it. It's Marvel's longest running show for a reason...and season 6 is again amazing. Honestly, which show can claim up itself that it is still going strong narratively in season 6? This last episode…honestly, nobody would have thought that the show would end up there when the pilot aired.
AOS is also really good at actually subverting expectations in real and logical ways.
It's also one of the only MCU shows that actually connects with the movies. The first season connects with Captain America: The Winter Soldier and it leads to, basically, the show completely changing and getting better, along with a great villain twist. As the show has gone along, however, they've gotten less and less reliant on the movies, up to the point where Season 6 seems completely divorced from the films (I say "seems" because this season is also dealing with multiversal stuff and timeline stuff, so I'm not sure).

Also, why share the profits if you can get a whole cake just by pairing the character up with someone else?