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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102926: May 26th 2019 at 8:26:24 AM

Also, why share the profits if you can get a whole cake just by pairing the character up with someone else?

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102927: May 26th 2019 at 8:28:49 AM

[up] because then you have comedy Planet Hulk breaking out in the middle of a Thor movie, taking away focus from that plot.

Then again, I'm one of the only people who didn't like Ragnarok, so eh.

Kaze ni Nare!
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#102928: May 26th 2019 at 8:28:57 AM

@Ookamikun: Captain America: The First Avenger got good reviews from critics, but on IMDB, it still has a rating of 6.9, which makes it tied with Thor: The Dark World as the second lowest-rated MCU film on the site (only The Incredible Hulk has a worse score).

Edited by chasemaddigan on May 26th 2019 at 11:30:12 AM

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#102929: May 26th 2019 at 8:33:45 AM

[up]I dread this world where First Avenger is seen near with The Meme World sad

Oh yeah, Agent Carter wasn't a thing back then right?

Edited by Ookamikun on May 26th 2019 at 11:33:53 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102930: May 26th 2019 at 8:35:33 AM

[up][up][up]Ragnarök is okay, but doesn't make my top ten. The two parts are just too disjointed.

Edited by Swanpride on May 26th 2019 at 8:37:47 AM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#102931: May 26th 2019 at 8:37:15 AM

Having Ragnarok double as a Planet Hulk movie was easily the best thing it did.

But honestly the worst part about the Universal thing is that they also have She-Hulk's rights.

Edited by LordVatek on May 26th 2019 at 11:37:41 AM

This song needs more love.
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102932: May 26th 2019 at 8:51:00 AM

[up] On paper Ragnarok is the darkest Thor movie there is, but it really doesn't feel that way because almost everything is played for jokey jokes, and because there's two plots going on, neither felt like they got enough focus. Especially Hela. Who could've been really interesting, but she's gone for so much of the film.

At least, that's how I felt.

Kaze ni Nare!
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#102933: May 26th 2019 at 8:59:05 AM

There’s an article I need to find again that talks about how that vibe of humor + dark plot is apparently very Maori and a deliberate style choice; it pretty much worked fine really well for me, with the exception of one or two jokes.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#102934: May 26th 2019 at 9:02:58 AM

[up]x3 - Let’s be real though. Is there anything you can really do with She Hulk at this point?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#102935: May 26th 2019 at 9:05:30 AM

They have old Cap in the films so they have the chance to adapt the She-Hulk case The Trial of Captain America.

Might have to wait for Daredevil to become available again, though.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102936: May 26th 2019 at 9:20:47 AM

Ragnarok is a good example of what I was saying before about rapport. Thor and Hulk have a Lon history, mostly rivalry, and have appeared in the same space a lot, but the two are worlds apart conceptually and even on a basic characterization level: so a story - especially a film - carried by just them pretty much has to be either a Hulk-in-Thor’s-world or Thor-in-Hulk’s-world story.

Which isn’t, in itself, necessarily a bad thing, except then Ragnarok tries to do both at the same time, and ends up unfocused.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 26th 2019 at 9:21:33 AM

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#102937: May 26th 2019 at 9:23:49 AM

Re: Deadpool. It's a shame they cant do Iron Man/Deadpool, the dialogue there would be amazing.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102938: May 26th 2019 at 9:34:08 AM

There’s a lot of stuff they could have done with Iron Man and his mythos that makes me kind of sad, but... welll... movies are impermanent, I guess.

I still really, really wish they had done the Living Laser, one of my favorite Marvel villains. Or MODOK. Or - and this is a lot more obscure - there’s a specific plot with the Sunturion and Stratosfire I thought would be a fantastic film. Though as a matter of fact, I could see all of those showing up against Captain Marvel.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102939: May 26th 2019 at 9:47:59 AM

Yeah, share your villains. Other heroes need something to defeat too. Plus, it's not a bout the villain, it is about the story. Tony's character felt like it had gone full circle. Time for new stories.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102940: May 26th 2019 at 10:09:24 AM

People say it's not about the villain, it's about the story, and I know I'm obsessed with villains specifically, but I swear the best regarded MCU films have also been the ones that have the best villains.

Because the villain is part of the story. It's one of the key concepts of superhero fiction. Not every conflict needs a villain, no, and I'd rather them not have one at all than include a bad one, but if you're going to include one, you might as well do them well. A villain feels like too major a piece in a story to half ass.

Kaze ni Nare!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102941: May 26th 2019 at 10:13:13 AM

[up] What I meant is that you can spread the villains out a little bit. I rather have the "real" Mandarin in a Shang Chi movie than in another Ironman movie. I also don't really care which Avenger team eventually faces Kang.

Btw, something along the line of MODOK was already in Ao S.

Edited by Swanpride on May 26th 2019 at 10:13:24 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#102942: May 26th 2019 at 10:36:12 AM

I'm pretty easy to please with these films, so I've never left the theater disappointed.

But the weakest films to me were Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World. Pretty typical choice, I know. I still haven't seen Hulk though.

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ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#102943: May 26th 2019 at 10:47:54 AM

This is changing the subject, but . . . Endgame has less than $100 million to go before it surpasses Avatar as the highest-grossing movie of all time. Assuming it stays in theaters as long as the other Avengers movies did, it probably can still make that much.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102944: May 26th 2019 at 11:05:50 AM

[up] whut? Last time I checked it still as 111 million to go. Granted, those are just estimates.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102945: May 26th 2019 at 11:35:21 AM

Actually, are any of the bad guys in Ao S any good? I only know that there's this mutant who gets jobbed out hard by Ghost Rider. That's the only one I know.

Kaze ni Nare!
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#102946: May 26th 2019 at 11:55:00 AM

Ao S's best villains are spoilers, unfortunately, but the answer is basically 'yes'.

Leviticus 19:34
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102947: May 26th 2019 at 11:58:54 AM

[up][up] Oh...you are missing out!!! They have in season 4 a villain which is a strong contender for the best villain of the whole MCU (and certainly the best villain performance). And overall, Ao S has pretty much always great villains, the fandom just tends to not talk about them TOO much to outsiders, because a lot of them aren't introduced as obvious villains, and it would be a shame to spoil Ao S for everyone.

Edited by Swanpride on May 26th 2019 at 12:00:16 PM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102948: May 26th 2019 at 12:02:20 PM

I think I just never watched the show because I'm really bad at watching shows with really long episodes, and the premise never seemed that interesting to me.

Kaze ni Nare!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102949: May 26th 2019 at 12:07:05 PM

[up] It's worth it. It's Marvel's longest running show for a reason...and season 6 is again amazing. Honestly, which show can claim up itself that it is still going strong narratively in season 6? This last episode…honestly, nobody would have thought that the show would end up there when the pilot aired.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102950: May 26th 2019 at 12:26:15 PM

AOS is also really good at actually subverting expectations in real and logical ways.

It's also one of the only MCU shows that actually connects with the movies. The first season connects with Captain America: The Winter Soldier and it leads to, basically, the show completely changing and getting better, along with a great villain twist. As the show has gone along, however, they've gotten less and less reliant on the movies, up to the point where Season 6 seems completely divorced from the films (I say "seems" because this season is also dealing with multiversal stuff and timeline stuff, so I'm not sure).


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