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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#102876: May 23rd 2019 at 3:37:48 PM

I don't think we've ever had any overtly Jewish characters in the films (the Maximoff siblings are/were ethnically Jewish but the focus has always been on their Romani heritage), so now is as good of a time as any.

Though granted the Marvel films shy away from any sort of religion aside from Heathen jokes with Thor, Steve being a Christian, or the Meaningless Meaningful Words faux-spirituality of Doctor Strange.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102877: May 23rd 2019 at 3:42:39 PM

Ben being Jewish has never been referenced outside the comics,to my knowledge anyway
Kitty Pryde being Jewish has never been referenced outside of the comics, but nobody would dare change that.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102878: May 23rd 2019 at 3:44:59 PM

They should make more reference to this.

It be good if they were more visible about it.

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#102879: May 23rd 2019 at 4:01:59 PM

The thing with backgrounds like that is they're nearly always lost when transplanted into another medium,except Magneato's backstory,they always manage to include that,I guess it's because it's dramatic/tragic enough that writors go "Yeah,we can work with that" everyone else is treated like "Who the hell cares outside of the comic books fans"

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#102880: May 23rd 2019 at 4:19:24 PM

It doesn't need to be anything major. Just have Ben drop a few Yiddish phrases here and there. Hell, a lot of Yiddish phrases have permeated American culture in general, especially in New York.

Unless Ben isn't the type of Jewish that would speak Yiddish. I don't actually know.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#102881: May 23rd 2019 at 4:32:23 PM

Oy vey ist mir.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102882: May 23rd 2019 at 10:46:49 PM

Ben Grimm isn't just Jewish, he's also from Queens - where like 90% of modern Yiddish as a Second Language gags are a reference to - so I doubt anyone would bat an eye if he let out a little here and there.

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#102883: May 24th 2019 at 3:22:35 AM

I feel like they would go for the most obvious gag imaginable,something like Ben complaining about non kosher foods,because some writers are l a z y and have very limited reference pools

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#102884: May 24th 2019 at 9:56:36 AM

Instead of being made of orange rocks, he'll be made entirely out of gigantic chunks of kosher salt.

He'll look like that white crystal dude from the original Guardians of the Galaxy.

And Namor is now his archnemesis, and made of sea salt to remind us he's from the sea.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#102885: May 24th 2019 at 4:31:52 PM

I want to see him team up with Korg at some point. Taika Waititi is Jewish so you already have some set up there

Edited by Xopher001 on May 24th 2019 at 2:32:47 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#102886: May 24th 2019 at 5:06:35 PM

Far From Home teaser. SPOILERS in this one.

Edited by comicwriter on May 24th 2019 at 5:07:48 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#102887: May 24th 2019 at 6:40:52 PM

So it took me forever to realize it, but (spoilers for Endgame):

Thor: Ragnarok being more like a Guardians of the Galaxy film makes sense as foreshadowing of him not only meeting the guardians, but also joining them.

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#102889: May 24th 2019 at 9:46:46 PM

I hope not.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102890: May 24th 2019 at 9:54:15 PM

It would be interesting if WandaVision introduced Billy Kaplan (Wiccan) and Tommy Shepherd (Speed), while the Hawkeye show introduced Kate Bishop. Cassie Lang is already in the MCU, so then all we need is America Chavez, Hulking, and maybe Kid Loki or Patriot, and we've got the Young Avengers.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#102891: May 24th 2019 at 10:22:48 PM

So, does this mean Wanda might use her powers to bring Vision back to life? Or maybe use her powers to create a duplicate of him?

If so, that definitely raises a whole bunch of ethical questions that I'm not sure if the show can handle. Unless she does it by accident or something.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#102892: May 24th 2019 at 11:45:02 PM

The rumor I heard about the plot of WandaVision is that she brings Vision back to life and reality warps in order to give him a soul. They then move into the suburbs where she faces both prejudice for being robosexual and the fact that Vision's soul changes him in some way.

No idea if it's true but there it is.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#102893: May 24th 2019 at 11:47:18 PM

[up] Huh sounds like an adaptation of the Vision comic.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#102894: May 25th 2019 at 4:37:34 AM

Vision didnt have a soul to begin with?. Also I dont quite understand why they're still not allowed to use the name Scarlet Witch

Edited by Xopher001 on May 25th 2019 at 2:39:43 PM

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#102895: May 25th 2019 at 6:12:15 AM

To my knowledge, there's nothing stopping them from using it beyond the fact that Comic-Book Movies Don't Use Codenames.

There hasn't been an opportunity to organically integrate "Scarlet Witch" into the story, since it's such a weird and out-there name. The MCU likes to have other characters apply the moniker, and Scarlet Witch kinda sounds like an insult in that context.

Civil War is the only opportunity I can think of given how condescending and demeaning the name sounds as a spoken phrase. That would require the film to have put more emphasis on Wanda's actual crimes. Ross would have to say it during his dressing down of the Avengers. Something like

  • Cap: All we've ever done is try to save lives.
  • Ross: Is that right? Your scarlet witch over there is an international terrorist. Did you ever consider how the rest of the world feels about that?

Or

  • Wanda: We were just trying to—
  • Ross: Yeah, I think that's just about enough out of the scarlet witch.

Or maybe a headline. "SCARLET WITCH SCREWS UP BOMB DISPOSAL" or something.

But beyond that, there just hasn't really been a way to integrate the phrase "Scarlet Witch" in a way that sounds organic.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 25th 2019 at 7:13:23 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#102896: May 25th 2019 at 6:54:03 AM

[up] If I remember correctly, closest we got to that was Tony calling her a little witch in Age of Ultron. But that was when she was a baddie, so...tongue

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 25th 2019 at 5:48:20 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#102897: May 25th 2019 at 8:29:50 AM

I can imagine Wanda Vision using White Vision as a product of her recreating him with her powers.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#102898: May 25th 2019 at 8:50:01 AM

Typical Hollywood whitewashing. tongue

Although I do wonder if Vision's going to spend most of the show in his human form to help save on costs. The amount of make-up he needs has to cost a fair amount. On the other hand, Disney does seem to be throwing a lot of money at these new shows, so we'll see how that turns out.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#102899: May 25th 2019 at 9:09:01 AM

[up] My guess is when he's just walking around and trying to be a normal person he'll be in his human form, but whenever he needs to use his powersnote  in some other way he'll shift back into his default form.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102900: May 25th 2019 at 10:08:17 AM

My first thought of a good way to integrate the name Scarlet Witch is if she had survived the Snap and then she - not Hawkeye - was the one that went on the brutal vigilante rampage. Then someone calls her “the Scarlet Witch” as a fearful moniker.


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