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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#102776: May 20th 2019 at 7:51:02 PM

Apparently the writer for Falcon and The Winter Soldier is Malcolm Spellman. Between him and Skogland there's a lot of credits for Empire which I've never personally watched but heard very good things about.

Edit: Never mind, she worked on Boardwalk Empire.

Edited by AlleyOop on May 20th 2019 at 10:51:54 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#102777: May 20th 2019 at 10:40:29 PM

You realize that the scene is from Ultimate Spider-Man, which is one of Bendis's most critically acclaimed works? And what's wrong with the scene in question, anyway? It's one of the funniest jokes in the entire book.

Not everyone finds it funny?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102778: May 20th 2019 at 11:14:05 PM

Sure, but that's no reason to curse out Bendis for it.

By the way, for people who want to know what we're talking about, these are the pages in question. It's a pretty good joke and deconstruction of the normal UST that Spider-Man and Black Cat had in the 616 universe.

Edited by alliterator on May 20th 2019 at 11:15:47 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102779: May 21st 2019 at 12:04:57 AM

2020? So long? I was hoping that at least one of those shows would be ready for the start of Disney Plus....

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102780: May 21st 2019 at 12:13:30 AM

You mean the bit where she is so sickened by the realization she was hitting on an underage boy that she threw up on him?

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102781: May 21st 2019 at 12:15:21 AM

Yup that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#102782: May 21st 2019 at 12:55:08 AM

[up][up][up][up] Call me a weirdo, because I didn't find that funny at all. Being upset by her accidental near-pedophilia is one thing, I can even see vomiting over it. But vomiting on him? No. I can't see why that's supposed to be humorous.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102783: May 21st 2019 at 12:58:51 AM

To be pedantic, its not pedophilia its ebephilia or however that's spelled.

Because Peter is a teenager at that point not a child.

Its just as bad of course, just wanted to get the terms right. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
IronScope STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS. from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS.
#102784: May 21st 2019 at 4:08:49 AM

That's semantics.

And is it really an examlple when she's horrified as soon as she realizes his age? She ain't attracted to the teenage boy, she was into the older man she thought he was.

This place is careless.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102785: May 21st 2019 at 4:46:40 AM

Honestly, I find the reaction a little over the top. She didn't know how old he was after all. And it is not like she had sex with him, right? (But then, I live in a country in which relationships between teens and adults aren't necessarily illegal, unless there is a position of power of the adult over the teen involved).

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#102786: May 21st 2019 at 4:52:47 AM

I feel like Black Cat was another Spider-Man related character Bendis did dirty

Like the other superheroes that tried to intervene in the gang war and banded together to be the knights of whatever they were called

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#102787: May 21st 2019 at 4:54:45 AM

I think they were called the Ultimate Knights.

It's odd to me how few adaptations, comics or otherwise, depict Felicia as being a teenager.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#102788: May 21st 2019 at 9:26:48 AM

[up] I mean, part of that has to do with how she debuted when Peter was in college, i.e. a young adult. There are only two adaptations (the 90's TAS show and the 00's Spec animated show) I can think of where she could conceivably be a teenager, and only 1 (Spec) where she's confirmed to be one according to Word of God.

Edited by Aleistar on May 21st 2019 at 12:27:14 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#102789: May 21st 2019 at 9:35:57 AM

[up]90’s cartoons had the habit of replacing supporting cast members with identities that could be superhero alter egos. Felicia pre Black Cat was essentially Gwen Stacy. Iron Man did the same thing, replacing Pepper Potts with the Julia Carpenter Spider Woman.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102790: May 21st 2019 at 10:18:09 AM

She's a teenager in the current animated series, too.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#102791: May 21st 2019 at 2:40:54 PM

I wonder if Bucky will take advantage of Sharon being single

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#102792: May 21st 2019 at 3:32:12 PM

[up] Sebastian Stan had an interview where he speculated that we could see Bucky try to experience a normal life in the series, which could include going on a date.

Which is something I absolutely want to see, even if it's just one scene and nothing ever comes of it.

Not sure how I feel about Sharon being anyone's love interest in the series. I think she would function best as being Falcon and Winter Soldier's go-to government contact first and foremost. However ultimately the main problem with her relationship to Steve is that the one movie it was featured in didn't have any time to develop it so it felt awkwardly shoehorned in. With likely 3 times the runtime of a feature film, that won't be a problem in the Falcon and Winter Soldier series.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102793: May 21st 2019 at 3:41:38 PM

Can we perhaps have Bucky heal a little bit first?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#102794: May 21st 2019 at 3:53:32 PM

[up] I don't think it's really an either/or situation. Re-learning how to live a somewhat normal life could very well be part of his healing process.

Edited by Falrinn on May 21st 2019 at 6:54:25 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#102795: May 21st 2019 at 5:20:28 PM

Bucky's a few years behind on how people even go out on a date these days.

He might make a few...faux pas.

That being said, if he got anything from Hydra (besides the horrific mental scarring), it was probably the patience to do a lot of research and that's why we have the internet.

One Strip! One Strip!
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#102796: May 21st 2019 at 5:24:47 PM

Given that one of the lessons he likely has to learn is that you can't trust everything that's on the internet, he'll be better off getting some advice from a semi sane friend.

Now, he just needs to find one of those.

Wake me up at your own risk.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#102797: May 21st 2019 at 5:34:25 PM

I'd rather there not be any romance in this series at all if they can help it, and least of all not with Sharon whose biggest problem is that her writing allowed her status as a love interest to define her. Only date I'd accept between her and Bucky is a one-off that ends in mutual disaster with wingman Sam making it worse, just for the sheer hilarity of it. Any more and it's probably too much.

Edited by AlleyOop on May 21st 2019 at 8:34:51 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#102798: May 21st 2019 at 5:37:09 PM

Presumably there’s going to be cast beyond just the three heroes and Zemo so there could be a recurring love interest for Bucky or whoever

Maybe Bucky and Sam date. Maybe Sharon gets a girlfriend. Hard to say at this point

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#102799: May 21st 2019 at 5:41:34 PM

Blegh to most of them. Even Bucky and Sam which is a ship I do enjoy is something I'd rather stay in fanon, though if they do manage get together for real in canon (which they won't, because Disney are cowards) I'd be too shocked to be mad.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102800: May 21st 2019 at 5:57:26 PM

I just realized this is the most G.I. Joe-esque stuff we've gotten since....... the last major G.I. Joe property.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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