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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102676: May 18th 2019 at 4:29:43 PM

But the reason why The Winter Soldier works so well is because we actually care about Shield. It is the organisation Peggy built. It was Nicht Fury who backed the Avengers from the get go. The movie wouldn't work with a random agency.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#102677: May 18th 2019 at 4:38:46 PM

Specifically, that whole twist works because of years of establishment beforehand. Like the rest of the MCU.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102678: May 18th 2019 at 5:34:35 PM

My problem with Hammer is that he's entertaining, but I didn't think he made much sense.

He's not just a random guy, he was apparently big enough and successful enough that the government turned to him when Tony wasn't willing to help. I don't think he COULD be as uesless as he's portrayed. Surely there are levels between "Being far less intelligent than Tony Stark" and "Being worthless at your job" but the story seems to lean towards the latter.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102680: May 18th 2019 at 6:48:48 PM

I like watching this clip. I haven't watched the Fox Spidey cartoon in a long, long while but this moment is just classic.

Context: In a multiverse plot-line, Spider-Carnage is gonna take over the universe so Peter brings in the only person he knows can stop him, Uncle Ben. What follows is an utterly heart-wrenching scene where Spider-Carnage completely snaps outta & Peter comes through it after having a good heart to heart with Uncle Ben. He then sacrifices himself to make up for all the crap he's done.

It really sums up everything about Peter Parker & just how important Uncle Ben was in his life.

Hell this would be a fantastic moment to end a Spider-Verse movie on.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
rollin' on dubs
#102681: May 18th 2019 at 7:42:13 PM

[up]Flanderization plays a big part here. All of the Corrupt Corporate Executive tropes and "$700 toilet seat cover" jokes rolled into one character. Hammer is the head of a big corporation but he's just a used car salesman at heart. He doesn't care what his company makes as long as he's rich and famous.

Problem is that's it for him. The only reason he teamed with Vanko? He thought Vanko could take out Tony Stark. Evil Is Not a Toy bit him in the ass - Vanko wanted to kill not embarrass Stark.

Hammer is more of a lower tier villain or Disc-One Final Boss than a villain that could carry a movie.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#102682: May 18th 2019 at 9:06:05 PM

I read this list of MCU roles Keanu Reeves could play and now I want to see him as Silver Surfer or Moon Knight. Or maybe Johnny Blaze!Ghost Rider? Don't know if that last one would be blasphemy… tongue

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#102683: May 18th 2019 at 9:13:29 PM

I'd support that, if only for the hilarious contrast from one of the hammiest actors to one of the most stoic.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on May 18th 2019 at 12:13:50 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102684: May 18th 2019 at 9:15:59 PM

He would be great as Johnny Blaze, but I would really love it if he appeared in the Ghost Rider Hulu show with Robbie Reyes. Just like...have Blaze be the mentor to Robbie. That would be awesome.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#102685: May 18th 2019 at 9:19:03 PM

What about Druig?

Edited by LordVatek on May 18th 2019 at 12:19:16 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#102686: May 18th 2019 at 9:23:51 PM

I could see Reeves as Danny Ketch.

But from those options, I think Adam Warlock would be the best suited to his abilities if they go with the Jim Starlin take, which is Adam Warlock as this highly philosophical, detached and distant cold savior doing his best to save the universe (but often at a great cost). Keanu Reeves could do wonders for that zen aura of superiority and cold distance from regular people while still showing a good heart and a cerebral nature.

The other choice that intrigues me would be Nightmare, if only because that's a fascinating bit of Playing Against The Type that actually works. Nightmare being a sadistic villain (something Keanu doesn't play often), but he's defined by an aura of foreboding menace that Reeves excels at. I'd like to see it.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#102687: May 18th 2019 at 9:40:56 PM

Isn't Danny Ketch supposed to be a teenager?

Him playing Nightmare would be Hilarious in Hindsight as you have Constantine vs Dr Strange. And both have been in movies with Tilda Swinton.

Edited by windleopard on May 18th 2019 at 9:45:46 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102688: May 18th 2019 at 9:53:44 PM

Ooh, Keanu as Nightmare. That would work, too.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#102689: May 18th 2019 at 10:42:51 PM

IIRC, didn't the makers of Captain Marvel want Keanu to play Yon-Rogg for the film? I'm not sure how he would've done with the role.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102690: May 18th 2019 at 10:44:01 PM

[up] There's basically nothing TO the role. It was annoying.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#102691: May 18th 2019 at 10:49:46 PM

Yeah, that'd have been kind of a waste of Keanu. Yon-rogg didn't really have much presence.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102692: May 18th 2019 at 11:39:39 PM

????? That's not how I perceived the character...but it is a good thing that they went for an actor who has an actual presence and who you want to like when seeing on screen...

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102693: May 18th 2019 at 11:52:51 PM

[up] I like Jude L Aw. But he wasn't given anything to do in my opinion. He didn't have any charming lines or scenes or moemnts that would make me care about him.

Kaze ni Nare!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102694: May 19th 2019 at 12:02:06 AM

Glad Keanu wasn't given Yon.

Sure Yon was fine but he deserves someone more epic.

Edited by slimcoder on May 19th 2019 at 12:02:25 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#102695: May 19th 2019 at 12:03:34 AM

He was your standard-issue origin story villain, like Cross, Red Skull, and Kaecillius, minus the "evil version of the hero" part. Minimal presence in the story and little backstory/motive, mainly just there as a final obstacle for the hero to overcome and prove they've completed their character arc. In that context Yon-Rogg serves his role adequately, but I'd rather not "waste" Keanu Reeves on him like they did Mads Mikkelsen.

Of course it's a moot point since we didn't get Keanu-Rogg, and Jude Law did a fine job anyway.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102696: May 19th 2019 at 12:09:35 AM

Am I the only one who hopes to see more of Yon Rogg in the Sequel?

[up] Not really, there is more to him than that. Granted, they only built a basic structure, but that was all what was needed.

Edited by Swanpride on May 19th 2019 at 12:10:44 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#102697: May 19th 2019 at 12:13:44 AM

Not sure what he could really provide. Carol so thoroughly exceeds his capabilities that short of giving him his own power-up to match her, there's not much he can actually do as an antagonist. You could have him pull a Heel–Face Turn, but I don't think anybody really cares to see him do that.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102698: May 19th 2019 at 12:16:41 AM

I thought Yon was actually worse than the others.

Red Skull got to be a physical threat, Cross had an interesting concept and got to be clever, and Kaecilius had at least one emotional scene I really liked plus a few funny lines.

Yon-Rogg didn't really give me anything.

Kaze ni Nare!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102699: May 19th 2019 at 12:42:10 AM

he is a psychological threat (btw, I think some spoiler tags are needed)

Edited by Swanpride on May 19th 2019 at 12:43:17 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102700: May 19th 2019 at 12:45:11 AM

He's more of an ideological threat than anything. He represents a mentality that has to be pushed through. Once Carol pushes through that mentality herself, he becomes powerless and obsolete.


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