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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#102501: May 14th 2019 at 3:53:55 PM

Honestly, given that the MCU has generally avoided masked, anonymous heroes, that actually would give Jameson more believable motivation against masked heroes. The only other one operating is Daredevil, and Spider-Man certainly presents himself more as a public figure. It would be interesting to see it take a similar turn in the comics where Spider-Man eventually reveals his identity and deal with the fallout.

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#102502: May 14th 2019 at 3:57:03 PM

Still kinda hoping that the Mysterio twist, if it happens, isn't in the final 20 minutes of the film. I'm also tired of twist villains thanks to disney.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102503: May 14th 2019 at 3:58:55 PM

That's a good point. Jameson can easily say "we know who Iron Man is! Everyone knows Captain America! Even the Incredible Hulk is front and center! What does Spider-Man have to hide?"

Man, the MCU could use more "regular person" superheroes. The only other one is Ant-Man. Though I guess we'll start getting more of them, now that most of the majority absence of mutant character is no longer a thing.

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#102504: May 14th 2019 at 4:29:14 PM

That was something I was thinking of the other day, that Spider-Man is one of the only MCU heroes with a secret identity. Have JJJ's hatred for him, specifically, stem from that, and have it spiral out from there.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#102506: May 14th 2019 at 6:22:23 PM

Even in the movies, he refused to tell the Geen goblin the identity of guy who takes photos of the spiderman.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on May 14th 2019 at 6:22:41 AM

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#102509: May 14th 2019 at 7:55:34 PM

Now that we know the X-Men series will probably end with Dark Phoenix, I'm wondering what will happen to Deadpool 3. Will they release it later this year or by 2020?

Edited by gjjones on May 14th 2019 at 10:56:00 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#102510: May 14th 2019 at 8:16:26 PM

[up] No. Deadpool 3 hasn't entered production yet, so there's no way it'll be released that soon. Hell, I don't even think it has a script.

If they wanted to wait until the whole Disney-Fox deal was over with and for them to get confirmation on what Disney plans to with the franchise, I can see them starting production maybe sometime next year or so. Maybe they'll have a release date aimed for 2021 or 2022, once all the cogs have been sorted out.

Edited by chasemaddigan on May 14th 2019 at 11:17:06 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#102511: May 15th 2019 at 12:20:27 AM

So, it occurs to me that one of the biggest reasons MCU Peter Parker has a much easier life than the other versions is because he doesn't have to hide his secret identity from the people who matter.

The three most important people in Peter's life (Aunt May, Ned, Tony) found out he was Spider-Man on their own (in Ned and May's cases, by accident), and they are all *incredibly* supportive of him.

By the time Infinity War and Endgame rolls around, Peter has become a lot more trusting and cavalier about introducing himself as Peter Parker to the other superheroes. The Avengers knows Spider-Man is Peter Parker, a kid from Queens and not some faceless secretive asshole, and so they can be a positive presence in Peter's superhero career. He has people he can rely on now.

Hmm, it's almost as if "keeping secrets from people whom you're supposed to trust" was a terrible idea and would only lead to unnecessary drama and suffering.

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#102512: May 15th 2019 at 12:21:23 AM

Don't forget Adrian Toomes.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#102513: May 15th 2019 at 1:20:03 AM

Huh I just how realised.

Marvel can bring in Daken, the Son of Wolverine if they want.

Bring him in & also bring back Bullseye & we can have some fun. tongue

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#102514: May 15th 2019 at 7:15:09 AM

I find the deemphasis of secret identities in the MCU pretty refreshing and I think dropping that conceit is one of the factors that made it so successful. Removes a chain on the kinds of possible storylines they can tell.

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#102515: May 15th 2019 at 7:27:08 AM

If I were writing JJJ, I'd probably have him staunchly distrust superheroes in general, because a Spiderman-shaped blindspot doesn't make a lot of sense. You could give him a sympathetic motive for this.

It makes sense if you make his motive about Spider-Man. If his vendetta is strictly about Spider-Man, then his motive for it should also be about Spider-Man. It doesn't make sense to say "A mugger in a mask shot his girlfriend" and then turn around and go "He's cool with all masked superheroes as long as they aren't Spider-Man. Because he hates masks. But only when worn by Spider-Man."

The same issue that gave us that crappy motive also touched on a few other, better ideas. For instance, an iconic part of Spidey's backstory is that he tried to be a wrestler before Uncle Ben was shot. That issue suggested that Jameson was actually a photographer in the crowd to see "The Amazing Spider-Man" make his debut appearance.

The idea there was that Jameson sees Spidey as an entertainer first and foremost who then decided on a lark to be a vigilante 'cause it's fun. In the comic, he tells Spidey that he is a dangerous threat to people's safety because he just shows up and LOLs all over a dangerous crime in progress. He sees Spidey as a showboating troll who just thinks it's funny and cool to interfere with police investigations and actual superheroes, all so he can see his face on the news.

Having only seen Spider-Man's origin story from the outside, Jameson thinks it's all about publicity for a fame-hungry glory-hound who doesn't really care about saving any lives and just wants to crack jokes for the camera. And that he is recklessly endangering people in the process.

It's a lot of extrapolation based on "Spider-Man: Pro Wrestler but now he's fighting crime!" But it actually makes a lot of sense. To him, Spider-Man is Dwayne Johnson, kicking in the door during a delicate hostage negotiation and screaming "DO YOU BANK ROBBERS SMELL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKING?!"

This is a way better explanation for his behavior than the mugger thing.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 15th 2019 at 8:30:56 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102516: May 15th 2019 at 7:30:42 AM

I agree. I mean, secret identities make sense for some heroes, but for the majority of them they were always pretty stupid.

Speaking of secret identities...I wonder how they will call the next Spider-Man movie...Home Alone? The long way home? home office? Home again? broken home? hearth and home? Take me home? home from home? home sweet home? home stretch?journey home? no place like home? home hunting?

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#102517: May 15th 2019 at 7:34:50 AM

Spider-Man: Home Improvement.

[up][up]And yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense for JJ's motivation. Never thought about it that way.

Edited by Nightwire on May 15th 2019 at 7:36:07 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#102518: May 15th 2019 at 7:36:06 AM

What bothers, is that many heroes do not reveal their identity to their closest people because that would put them in danger, even when they are often in danger, even without knowing the identity of the hero.

If we go to dc comics, anyone knows that to annoy superman, you must kidnap Lois Lane.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#102519: May 15th 2019 at 7:56:13 AM

Now that I think about it, being open with the people closest to him, and actually letting them help him, instead of trying to push them away, is a big part of why RIPeter was so well adjusted and effective as well.

Edited by megaeliz on May 15th 2019 at 10:59:21 AM

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#102520: May 15th 2019 at 8:09:49 AM

Some of Jonah Jameson's best moments tend to come from Daredevil, come to think of it. Seen through the eyes of Phil Ulrich, Jameson's lifelong friend and who is usually covering highly dangerous criminal conspiracies, Jameson tends to come across as a bastion of journalism integrity of sorts willing to break big and dangerous stories despite the threats of the powers that be (be them corrupt government folks or powerful criminal dons) and always doing his best to protect his journalists from said powers that be.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#102521: May 15th 2019 at 10:01:55 AM

It also depend, toomes is a good example of why secret identities are need sometimes because you dont have the power to stop people for being hurt.

if anything peter was lucked that toomes have code of honoer(....sort of).

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102522: May 15th 2019 at 11:06:11 AM

The car scene is truly great. But I think I love even more that Peter rescues him knowing fully well that he puts himself into danger by doing so.

In a way the MCU is at its best whenever it subverts common tropes.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#102523: May 15th 2019 at 11:19:44 AM

Also about endgame not going deep into infinity war consequence....is kind of a given on avenger movies, I mean age of ultron end with ew menber and the next movie have them fight each other and much of the consequence of accords is brush aside when thannos arrive.

the avenger movies are pretty much game changers(kind of),and is kind of hard to explore the change they bring.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#102524: May 15th 2019 at 3:01:47 PM

I love how the only one now glowering is Wasp, who's face just screams YER GETTING REKT![lol]

Edit: Warning of slight spoilers for Endgame here. Forgot what thread this was for a sec.

Edited by HandsomeRob on May 15th 2019 at 4:02:47 AM

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#102525: May 15th 2019 at 4:48:10 PM

So has it ever been explained why Stormbreaker was capable of powering through the united might of the infinity stones at the end of Infinity War.

Thanos fires a blast comprising all the colours of the gauntlet and Thor meets it by throwing Stormbreaker. It somehow keeps travelling, pushing the beam back and impales Thanos.

It's not like a quick moment either. The Axe soldiers on through at least 2 seconds of sustained contact with the Gauntlet lasers.

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