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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#102426: May 13th 2019 at 12:05:02 PM

I’m pretty sure Modern JJ hates Spider-Man because of pride and an in-universe grandfather effect: he’s hated Spidey for so long that he can just never accept good blood between them, no matter how pointless it is or how much he’s grown as a person.

The recent Spectacular issue where Spider-Man unmasked to JJJ after a long heart-to-heart indicated that JJJ was doing it because of a fridging. A mugger wearing a mask shot his girlfriend once and now he hates masks forever because of it.

It's pretty underwhelming and kind of stupid as a motivation.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 13th 2019 at 1:06:14 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102427: May 13th 2019 at 12:24:08 PM

Huh. That's from the 90's series pretty much verbatim.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102428: May 13th 2019 at 12:42:24 PM

Ironically in the comics Aunt May married J.J.'s dad so that makes him & Peter brothers in law.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
razorrozar7 Migrated to Chloe Jessica! from Chloe Jessica Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#102429: May 13th 2019 at 12:47:43 PM

[up]didn't Aunt May also marry Otto Octavius once?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#102430: May 13th 2019 at 12:48:53 PM

yep

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#102432: May 13th 2019 at 1:05:11 PM

much like Peter's marriage

-badum tish-

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#102433: May 13th 2019 at 1:32:47 PM

if that had gone through, Otto would have ended up being his *own* brother-in-law.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102434: May 13th 2019 at 3:53:43 PM

My favorite of the relationships May's been involved in is probably May / Jarvis. An unfortunate casualty of OMD.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#102435: May 13th 2019 at 4:20:36 PM

I demand they adapt Aunt May marrying Doc Ock. As in Doctor Olivia “Liv” Octavius. evil grin

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 13th 2019 at 4:21:09 AM

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#102436: May 13th 2019 at 4:47:35 PM

[up] Oh great, it’s Liv... tongue

luckily someone wrote that fanfic.

The whole thing killed me. I especially love the JJJ appearance.

The music swelled. Liv appeared. There were fresh daisies dotting her wild hair and she wore a white lace dress that fell in asymmetrical tiers to her ankles. Someone had decorated her birkenstocks with rhinestones around the buckles. Her own tentacles were held to one side, prepared, apparently, to walk her down the aisle.

Peter swore under his breath. J Jonah Jameson, seated in the opposite row, promptly burst into tears. He buried his face in a monogrammed handkerchief as his wife patted his shoulder.

“I just love weddings!” he sobbed gruffly. “Parker, why aren’t you up there, taking photos for the society page?”

“Maybe because it’s my aunt’s wedding that I am not working at and because I am filled with hatred,” Peter suggested.

“Pictures, Parker,” Jonah sobbed, ignoring him. “I want pictures of this wedding!”

“Oh for the love of...” Peter said, tipping his head back.

Edited by megaeliz on May 13th 2019 at 8:04:48 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102437: May 13th 2019 at 4:54:22 PM

So like if you bring in Doom & Namor, them & BP would be like the most epic kingly threeway ever. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#102438: May 13th 2019 at 5:58:19 PM

[up][up]Liv's fashion continues to be elegantly horrid. [lol]

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102439: May 13th 2019 at 6:42:05 PM

This is hilarious:

STAFF MEMBER: Who would win in a fight-
BRIE LARSON: Captain Marvel.
STAFF MEMBER: But I haven't said which characters?
BRIE LARSON: It's Captain Marvel. Next question.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#102440: May 13th 2019 at 6:59:18 PM

Is it true that the new Agents of SHIELD season takes place in a reality where the snap didn't happen? Even though Infinity War was clearly going on at the end of season 5?

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#102441: May 13th 2019 at 7:03:36 PM

No, it takes place after the snap IIRC.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102442: May 13th 2019 at 7:16:16 PM

No, it takes place pre-Snap.

JEFF BELL: We’re actually pre-Snap.

WHEDON: For the multiple reasons, we had to do that. One of the main ones being that we were not positive when season 6 would air. We were pretty sure it was going to be in the summer, but if they moved us up to January and we had tied into in any way, it would’ve destroyed everything. So the safest course of action for all parties involved was for us to stay pre-Snap.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#102443: May 13th 2019 at 7:18:59 PM

Eh, it's not like I'm watching it so I don't care either way.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#102444: May 13th 2019 at 7:19:44 PM

[up]x5 it gets better:

“Using you is such a harsh term,” Liv said. “Just because I discovered you were due to inherit a privately owned atomic processing plant upon the death of your second cousin twice removed and just because the wife comes before the nephew in the will doesn’t mean what we have isn’t real!”

“I don’t like this,” Peter said, his head lolling against the back of the couch. He looked over at Mary Jane plaintively. “I do not like that this is my life right now. Make it stop.”

“Just ride it out, sweetie,” Mary Jane said, patting his thigh. “Just ride it out.”

“You were going to steal my inheritance and frame poor Peter for my murder!” May said angrily, hitting Liv in the chest with her own diary.

“Alright, yes, that was my plan at one point,” Liv admitted. “But was what we shared in the meantime not beautiful? Was it not in its own way precious? Did we not make steamy, passionate love that night in the Mediterranean –”

“God, please,” Peter groaned, hands over his face. “Make it stop.”

“I can forgive a lot, Liv,” May said. “All those times you tried to kill my nephew, I could live with –”

“Wait,” Peter said, his hands sliding slowly down his face. “You could what.”

“—But for my own wife to lie to me for months!” May continued. “What happened to honesty in a relationship, Liv? What happened to us?”

Edited by megaeliz on May 13th 2019 at 10:22:35 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#102445: May 13th 2019 at 7:34:35 PM

I have a feeling that the film division of Marvel really didn't communicate what their plans were for Endgame with the TV division, leading to this very obvious patch-job.

The other shows either didn't specifically reference events from the films or were cancelled beforehand, but Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was the only show that tried to tie-in to the events of Avengers: Infinity War. So this obvious retcon just feels haphazard. It was not a good way to start the season IMO.

Unless you want to put the show in an alternate universe at this point. That's probably the easier choice to do. Just claim that in this timeline, Thor aimed for the head the first time around.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102446: May 13th 2019 at 7:43:49 PM

[up] Except for the fact that Doctor Strange saw fourteen million timelines and there was only one where the Avengers beat Thanos.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#102447: May 13th 2019 at 8:15:04 PM

The multiverse has infinite possibilities. 14 million is miniscule in comparison.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#102448: May 13th 2019 at 8:25:22 PM

It's pretty underwhelming and kind of stupid as a motivation.

Really? How so? I think it's the perfect motivation for someone to hate a masked man.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#102449: May 13th 2019 at 8:27:57 PM

[up]I must agree. It made more sense that his experience with masks made him reluctant to believe anyone with a mask would be heroic, especially in Marvel when so many heroes are public.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102450: May 13th 2019 at 8:34:27 PM

It's also the same motivation the 90's animated series JJJ had. His backstory had him defying a crime boss by printing a story about said boss. The boss responded by sending a masked hitman to attack JJJ and his wife. JJJ survived the attack, but his wife didn't.

This is also why he realizes he made a grave mistake in turning Mac Gargan into the Scorpion. The Scorpion is exactly the kind of masked menace JJJ always claimed Spidey was.

Edited by M84 on May 13th 2019 at 11:35:51 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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