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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102401: May 13th 2019 at 5:30:57 AM

He's a big supporter of mutant rights. He's actually quite principled and progressive in some continuities. He just really, really doesn't like Spidey.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102402: May 13th 2019 at 5:58:26 AM

Somehow JJJ sounds very unrealistic. Honestly, how many reporters who still care about sources are left, and how many of those would lower themselves to a personal vendetta?

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#102403: May 13th 2019 at 6:36:52 AM

JJJ claims that the reason he hates Spidey is due to the fact that he takes attention away from "real heroes" like Firemen and Policemen and Astronauts, though the REAL reason, which was revealed way way back (in the tenth issue of the original series) was that he was jealous of Spidey. In his own words:

"All my life I've been interested in only one thing-making money! And yet Spider-Man risks his life day after day with no thought of reward! If A man him is good-is a hero-then what am I?? I can never respect myself while he lives! Spider-Man represents everything I'm not! He's brave, powerful, and unselfish! The truth is-I ENVY him! I, J. Jonah Jameson-millionaire, man of the world, civic leader-I'd give everything I own to be the man HE is! But I can never climb to his lever! So all that remains for me is-to try to tear him down-because Heaven help me-I'm JEALOUS of him!"

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#102404: May 13th 2019 at 6:41:29 AM

What about every other hero then? At least Lex only has Superman to compare to in Metropolis, but Marvel New York has plenty of superheroes.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#102405: May 13th 2019 at 6:49:12 AM

[up][up] That's Lee/Ditko's Jameson, a characterisation which hasn't been true in decades.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102406: May 13th 2019 at 6:59:35 AM

And here I thought it was mostly about selling papers. Like, him thinking that negative news is better news that fluff pieces.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#102407: May 13th 2019 at 7:00:55 AM

The Adam Troy Castro Sinister Six books proposed the theory that Jonah is so hard on Spider-Man because subconsciously he thinks Spider-Man will stop showing up to rescue him if he doesn’t withhold his acceptance

The theory is proposed by a SHIELD (well really SAFE but it’s basically SHIELD) therapist that never personally interacted much with Jameson.

Spider-Man just calls it an “interesting theory” but doesn’t otherwise comment because he’s in a minor emotional shutdown after seeing an illusion of Jameson (and the rest of the Daily Bugle regulars) dead

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#102408: May 13th 2019 at 7:06:06 AM

That's Lee/Ditko's Jameson, a characterisation which hasn't been true in decades.

IINM, MCU!Spidey already borrows a lot from the Lee/Ditko era that I don't think we should be surprised if they actually do go for that characterization for MCU!Jameson.

EDIT: Please disregard this. Turns out I WAS mistaken.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 13th 2019 at 10:58:15 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#102409: May 13th 2019 at 7:10:13 AM

Okay, name me one single thing that MCU Spidey has in common with the Lee/Ditko era.

And no, Peter still being in high school doesn't count.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#102411: May 13th 2019 at 7:42:30 AM

Look, I love MCU!Spidey, and I love Lee/Ditko!Spidey. But you have to admit that aside from the usual basics, these two have hardly anything in common with each other.

For one, Comics!Peter's high school life was freaking miserable. Nobody liked him as Peter (didn't help that Teen!Peter was still kind of an antisocial prick) , and nobody liked him as Spider-Man either.

MCU!Peter actually has the most pleasant life out of any incarnations of Spider-Man to date. Sure, Uncle Ben still died and Peter still has to struggle with balancing his personal life with being a superhero, but things are not so bad for him. His aunt knows he's Spider-Man and she supports him. His best friend knows he's Spider-Man and he supports him. Peter goes to a magnet school where there are kids like him, so he is appreciated for his intellect and nerdiness, and he actually has *gasp!* more than one friends at school. Flash is still a dick to Peter, but he's also kind of in the same friend group.

And on the superhero side, MCU!Spidey is never alone either. The people of NYC like him, the police seems to like him. Spider-Man is widely recognised and supported by the superhero community at large, and he had a mentor in Tony Stark.

MCU!Spider-Man's life is freaking heaven compared to other Spider-Men.

Edited by Nightwire on May 13th 2019 at 7:43:28 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#102412: May 13th 2019 at 7:56:53 AM

It's coming to my knowledge that my last post is probably full of BS.

To be fair, I did say "if I'm not mistaken," so I guess I WAS mistaken. Whoops.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#102413: May 13th 2019 at 7:59:37 AM

Speaking of Jonah

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#102414: May 13th 2019 at 8:07:03 AM

Yeah, this Peter Parker is honestly kinda closer to Miles Morales than any incarnation of Peter Parker.

Which actually makes sense for the more contemporary naturalistic take they are going for, now that I think about it.

Edited by megaeliz on May 13th 2019 at 11:33:45 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#102415: May 13th 2019 at 8:31:56 AM

[up][up] For a minute there, I thought you were going to post this

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102416: May 13th 2019 at 8:36:04 AM

God I love that. Both of those images.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102417: May 13th 2019 at 9:20:59 AM

Well, I am happy that his life doesn't suck quite as much as usual. There is only so much of people constantly bullying a character I can take. There is a point at which it just doesn't feel realistic anymore.

razorrozar7 Migrated to Chloe Jessica! from Chloe Jessica Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Migrated to Chloe Jessica!
#102418: May 13th 2019 at 9:23:16 AM

[up]i think generally peter is able to put up with more than most people because he has spider-man as an outlet. when you can go around taking out your anger on violent criminals, you're not bottling it up because you're afraid of what they'll do to you if you don't.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#102419: May 13th 2019 at 9:29:57 AM

... he’s Spidey, not Batman. “Taking his anger out” ?????

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102420: May 13th 2019 at 9:31:11 AM

Peter is not generally an angry person. He's often a sad person and he masks his sadness with funny quips when fighting bad guys, but angry? Not very often.

razorrozar7 Migrated to Chloe Jessica! from Chloe Jessica Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Migrated to Chloe Jessica!
#102421: May 13th 2019 at 9:32:29 AM

all im saying is regardless of whether it's actually shown or not beating up villains has got to give you some catharsis that makes bullying easier to deal with.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#102423: May 13th 2019 at 10:31:34 AM

[up]Yeah but that was making his emotions boil over. Plus we won’t be seeing the symbiote any time soon with the seeds firmly set for a sequel to 2018’s most unexpected romantic comedy.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102424: May 13th 2019 at 10:56:55 AM

And here I thought it was mostly about selling papers. Like, him thinking that negative news is better news that fluff pieces.

Each version has their own reasons:

  • Classic JJ was an asshole who was motivated by jealousy.
  • 90’s animated JJ could never bring himself to trust that someone who hides their identity and flaunted the law was actually a hero.
  • Raimi JJ was very much a believer that negativity sells. Even when he wasn’t talking about Spidey, he tended to paint things in flashy, negative terms.
  • Ultimate Comic JJ... I don’t remember, but he got over it anyway.
  • Spectacular JJ was initially doing it just to sell papers, and didn’t really care about Spidey. But then it became personal for him when an act of heroism by his son John was overshadowed by a story about Spider-Man.
  • Ultimate Animated JJ is just an asshole.
  • PS 4 JJ seems to be, like, a mix of 90’s JJ’s motivations but Classic JJ’s personality.

I’m pretty sure Modern JJ hates Spider-Man because of pride and an in-universe grandfather effect: he’s hated Spidey for so long that he can just never accept good blood between them, no matter how pointless it is or how much he’s grown as a person.

Either way, the sky’s the limit for however the MCU wants to adapt him, as long as he’s entertaining. I’ve been wondering if he’s somehow related to the trip: like, he’s sponsoring it or something.

It’s probably going to be a “here’s what Peter’s doing since he doesn’t have the ‘Stark Internship’ deal.”

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 13th 2019 at 10:58:16 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#102425: May 13th 2019 at 12:02:28 PM

"Doesn't have the Stark internship" may be a bit of a weird place to go, since he's got Happy (who is employed by Stark Industries) looking out for him, and I find it incredibly hard to believe that Peter would not have at least his minimum needs taken care of via that relationship. It would be wildly irresponsible (never mind against the tone of the character) for him to be given a vast fortune, but he wouldn't be left to fend for himself, either. A stipend plus a paid-for education would be the very least I'd expect from Tony.

What I mean to say is that there is absolutely no reason why MCU Peter Parker would need to take a job with the Daily Bugle, unless it's part of a lesson in responsibility: "Go live a real life so you can appreciate being a superhero," or something like that. His constant struggle to subsist while heroing every night always galled me a little, so I won't miss it at all.

Also, he's still a teenager in school during Far From Home, so not an adult capable of being legally employed as a freelance photographer. Unless they play around with the "he's technically 21" angle due to the 5-year skip between Snapped people and everyone else... which would be fun in a different kind of film, but a little out of tone for this one. I expect it to be brought up at least, but not dwelled on.

Edited by Fighteer on May 13th 2019 at 3:09:53 PM

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