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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#102376: May 13th 2019 at 12:05:57 AM

To be fair, JJJ's honesty depends on the writer somewhat. He originally even distrusted Captain America IIRC.

It's become a bit more common to portray him as nicer, in part because that makes him admittedly quite a bit more interesting.

Edited by Protagonist506 on May 13th 2019 at 12:06:11 PM

Leviticus 19:34
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102377: May 13th 2019 at 12:06:17 AM

Whats his reaction to him in the Insomniac game?

[up] Total piece of shit J.J. does become just annoying than funny after all.

Edited by slimcoder on May 13th 2019 at 12:07:01 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#102378: May 13th 2019 at 12:35:30 AM

evem in the ps4 game where he was an alex jones expy jjj had some valid questions and points (which are mentioned on the game's page, or possibly his character page). he also wasn't a full on frothing lunatic like jones, so there's that.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#102379: May 13th 2019 at 12:38:55 AM

I agree with others that John Oliver is a bit of a weird fit for Jonah.

For one think, Oliver is self-deprecating in a way that I just cannot imagine Jonah ever being.

Oh God! Natural light!
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#102380: May 13th 2019 at 12:45:20 AM

[up]that's true. i cant imagine jjj humiliating himself for laughs the way john oliver does. i dont think id say it's because if his ego, though; moreso... how do i put this? i feel like he'd find the idea annoying and pointless.

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#102381: May 13th 2019 at 12:49:05 AM

[up][up][up][up] Well, the PS 4 game had Jameson be a financier for the Scorpion project, but he claims that he didn't realize that Mac Gargan was a nutcase and that the doctor behind the project was more interested in his money than protecting the city. With that said, I heard that when New York goes to a real crisis, Jameson reduces his attacks on Spider-Man to focus more on the people's concerns.

Spider-Man: The Animated Series Jameson is personally involved with the Scorpion project but in that episode, we are given a Freudian Excuse for Jameson's hatred of Spider-Man (namely his wife was killed by a masked man with a gun) and Jameson did do an Enemy Mine with Spider-Man because he sees the Scorpion to be far worse than Spider-Man could ever be. And the show made it clear that Jameson hates fake news, which is why he fires Eddie Brock for lying to him about Spider-Man's supposed crime.

Sam Rami's Jameson is more into tabloid headlines and stories, but he apparently had a technical clean track record of reporting considering that he fires Eddie Brock for fake photos and fake news, forcing Jameson to make a retraction which hasn't happened in years.

And we shouldn't forget about Kingpin's first appearance in Amazing Spider-Man #50-51. One of his first target is Jameson for printing negative news about him, which ironically forces Spider-Man to save his biggest hater.

Edited by Shadao on May 13th 2019 at 12:51:19 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#102382: May 13th 2019 at 12:53:47 AM

Raimi Jameson also protected Peter when the Goblin attacked the Bugle, wanting to know who the photographer who takes pictures of Spider-Man is. The novel of the film even states that Jameson goes out of his way to protect his sources and has actually gone to prison for it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102383: May 13th 2019 at 1:10:46 AM

[up][up]What Brock did was particularly dickish in the animated series, since the crime Brock was lying about was an attack that left JJ's own son badly injured. Brock claimed Spidey did it, which led JJ to issue a million dollar bounty on Spidey. When JJ heard his son confirm Spidey's claim that it was actually the Rhino who attacked, that really pissed off JJ.

Edited by M84 on May 13th 2019 at 4:15:38 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#102384: May 13th 2019 at 1:13:49 AM

I am curious how Mac is gonna become Scorpion here.

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#102385: May 13th 2019 at 1:18:48 AM

[up] Well, Mac is already a criminal and I wouldn't be surprised if a man like Norman Osborn was looking through the prison list for potential test subjects to create super soldiers.

I mean The Spectacular Spider-Man had Norman create the Rhino and Sandman through that method.

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#102386: May 13th 2019 at 2:05:05 AM

Plus we know from the likes of Hammer there's a market for Iron Man knock-offs so if they went the powered armour route it would fit - especially as this Pete was close to the OG Iron Man.

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#102387: May 13th 2019 at 2:19:58 AM

tbh my only big gripe with this incarnation of spider man is that he didn't make his own suit. i feel like it's too much of a departure from the original character. i love everything else about him. but im not happy that tony made his suit.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#102388: May 13th 2019 at 2:23:40 AM

> but im not happy that tony made his suit.

the image in my head of Tony Stark sitting down with a thread and needle is a hilarious one

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102389: May 13th 2019 at 2:24:38 AM

Peter still hasn't learned how to sew.

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#102390: May 13th 2019 at 2:30:21 AM

He made his original suit, the one with the goggles and hoodie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102391: May 13th 2019 at 2:54:22 AM

That is actually one of the changes I like, because it makes way more sense. He made his webshooters himself. That's what counts.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102392: May 13th 2019 at 2:55:51 AM

Aunt May generally teaches him.

He really needs to learn how to sew.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102393: May 13th 2019 at 4:46:52 AM

Spider-Man: The Animated Series Jameson is probably the nicest version of Jameson there is. He's abrasive and an obnoxious skinflint, but you can actually believe that that version is well intentioned. That one also paid for Peter's wedding, iirc.

After that, I'd say The Spectacular Spider-Man is probably the next most "good" version. He was a egotistical nepotist whose grudge against Spidey was especially petty, but he was highly sympathetic all the way through and largely good to Peter.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 13th 2019 at 4:47:09 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102394: May 13th 2019 at 4:51:24 AM

And I'm pretty sure the Ultimate cartoon J.J was just a fucking prick.

Edited by slimcoder on May 13th 2019 at 4:51:38 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#102395: May 13th 2019 at 4:57:28 AM

[up][up][up] There's a difference between knowing how to sew a pillow together or take in the hem on pants, and actually being able to create custom suit patterns. Fabrics like Spandex are hard to work with as well.

Edited by megaeliz on May 13th 2019 at 8:00:19 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102396: May 13th 2019 at 4:57:44 AM

Ultimate comics JJ OTOH was a decent guy. He even eventually came to recognize Spidey as a true hero, and after finding out he was Peter Parker, he vowed he would fight the world for him if needed.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102397: May 13th 2019 at 5:02:39 AM

Well, we are talking about the MCU, so they most likely won't run into the problem of one writer making him kind of decent and the other one going reverse.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#102398: May 13th 2019 at 5:04:04 AM

Ranked in terms of niceness for me.

1) Ultimate Jameson.

2) Raimi Jameson.

3) Spectacular Jameson.

4) 90s Fox cartoon Jameson.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#102399: May 13th 2019 at 5:12:30 AM

Animated Series Jameson only paid for the wedding to compete with the Kingpin, which was still pretty funny.

Jameson is a dick but he should be a dick that has standards. This is a guy who fought off demons from hell with a baseball bat to protect his employees, yelled right in the face of goddamn Godzilla, and refuses to publish anything without evidence.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#102400: May 13th 2019 at 5:22:32 AM

Isnt Jameson also one of the only pro-mutant media personalities in the MU? I seem to remember that from a few 90s X-Men stories.


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