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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#102276: May 9th 2019 at 3:11:08 PM

Then what was up with the whole "The Infinity Stones govern the flow of time, so taking them will disrupt the timeline" bit? That was misleading and made it sound as if only touching the Stones could create alternate timelines.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on May 9th 2019 at 6:11:46 AM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#102277: May 9th 2019 at 3:16:44 PM

She was talking about the underlying structure of the universe. Basically, with the stones existing in some form, things would trippy, and not in the fun kind of trippy. You might ask yourself, "well what about Thanos destroying them and things just carrying on for the next five years?" which is a fair question to ask given what we're presented in the film. The Russos addressed this, saying that while Thanos may have basically atomized them, thats all he did. The things that comprise them are all still floating around, just not in the form they once were. After all, the Reality Stone not being an actual physical gem most of the time (or Soul having to be summoned out of the ether with blood) didn't change anything.

Edited by TheAirman on May 9th 2019 at 5:16:51 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#102278: May 9th 2019 at 3:19:08 PM

Interesting. Do you have a link to this interview? It sounds like it has a lot of good details.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102279: May 9th 2019 at 7:31:14 PM

Ya know if Namor makes it in what ratio of assholery would you prefer him to have?

Like flirty jerk with a heart of gold you can reason or an omega douchebag constantly wanting to bang everyone's wife who will only listen to you after you cave his face in & kick him in the groin?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102280: May 9th 2019 at 7:32:12 PM

I'd actually like them to play him up as a jerk (but not make him an outright villain) to better distance him from DC's film version of Aquaman.

Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#102281: May 9th 2019 at 7:46:52 PM

Just noticed while checking the latest numbers, but if Wikipedia is to be believed Endgame is now not only the 2nd highest-grossing film in raw numbers, but the 8th highest in the "adjusted for inflation" list, nudging Jaws off the Top 10, beating out The Force Awakens and Doctor Zhivago, and rapidly closing in on The Ten Commandments.

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on May 10th 2019 at 3:48:42 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102282: May 9th 2019 at 7:49:18 PM

[up][up][up]Namor doesn't just want to bang married women. He'll bang anyone. Except underage people.

Edited by M84 on May 9th 2019 at 10:49:26 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102283: May 9th 2019 at 7:52:12 PM

[up] That is true but I figured it be funny if his attraction to Sue Storm was flanderized into wanting to bang all the married women he can find.

It be like Kakyoin's mom-hunter memes from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#102284: May 9th 2019 at 8:06:02 PM

I only want Namor in if he's an antagonist for T'Challa.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#102285: May 9th 2019 at 8:15:36 PM

I think Namor would work best as an anti-hero. Emphasize that, despite having superpowers and generally fighting for the side of good, he's really just an asshole. Namor should be just a bit more good than the villain of Aquaman.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102286: May 9th 2019 at 8:27:09 PM

Namor's a mixed bag. He's pretty much a poster boy for Heel–Face Revolving Door.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102288: May 9th 2019 at 10:20:10 PM

Wikipedia isn't to be believed if that's the numbers they use. Adjusting for inflation is only possible for domestic numbers, and Endgame hasn't even beaten Black Panther yet, no matter beating the Force Awakens (which, btw, isn't in the top ten of the highest grossing movies adjusted for inflation, it's on number eleven).

We will see where it stands after this weekend. It's still going very strong, though.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#102289: May 9th 2019 at 11:10:31 PM

Idk if Namor could hold his own solo film. While we've had flawed MCU heroes, Namor is one step above. He's way too much of a self-righteous dickbag, and not even in a fun way.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102290: May 9th 2019 at 11:58:21 PM

We need to wait and see if the Disney lawyers managed to free Narmor out of legal limbo in the first place and if they did, to which degree they can use him.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102291: May 10th 2019 at 6:29:59 AM

Okay, this is hilarious, another review from someone who watched Endgame without having seen anything of the MCU other than Black Panther.

She liked the movie btw. Even though she is not into comic book movies. And had no idea who the characters were.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102293: May 10th 2019 at 12:52:46 PM

Edit: Never mind...might have jumped the gun on that one...

Edited by Swanpride on May 10th 2019 at 1:06:07 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102295: May 11th 2019 at 9:28:31 AM

So Ao S has come back last evening...honestly, the show has never looked better, you can see that them spend roughly the same money they had last season on less episodes.

One interesting change they did is that they fiddled with the timeline a little bit. For context: The last two seasons of Ao S have been so tightly written that one season basically covered a months at most and on top of this, they did a lot of jumping around in time in season 5. The only reason why it seemed that last season somehow ended back to back with Infinity war was because there was a "Thanos is coming" warning, plus, in the last episode there was some talk about something happening in New York. Well, there is ALWAYS something happening in New York. So apparently they have done some retooling and the current season is now set directly before Infinity War.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#102296: May 11th 2019 at 10:02:44 AM

With all the discussion going around about how Endgame pushes the nuclear family hard (and also how the MCU hates women) is it time to bring up the fact that Aunt May was sidelined to create a false "conventional" father-son dynamic with Tony that DOES NOT exist in comics?

Peter's first and foremost familial connection in comics is Aunt May. May is his guiding influence and the inspiration for a lot of his decisions, including his dedication to protecting his identity. He loves her very deeply. Now, in fandom, we love older male mentors in media, especially currently when fandom goes wild over labeling any older male character who interacts with a younger one his "One True Father". But Spider-Man as a character is completely rooted in his love for May, his second mother essentially.

Making Aunt May younger (along with a screenwriter claiming she's Peter's mother's sister when she's his father's brother's wife, thereby revealing a lack of belief that non-blood relations could be the most important) just falls into this whole worship of the "normal" family, too.

I wonder if this is the 2012 "superfamily" fanfics fault, which was a subsection of fandom dedicated to creating fanworks where Captain America and Iron Man were Spider-Man's literal dads, usually even killing off May, or ignoring her altogether. Uncle Ben didn't even usually get to factor into the narrative.

And don't get me wrong, I like Tony and Peter’s relationship, it was a dynamic that I liked watching. And it didn’t bother me seeing Tony be someone Peter sees as a father figure due to losing his previous ones. When it comes to blood family, though, Aunt May is all Peter has left at this point. Not to mention, it's like Uncle Ben doesn’t exist in the MCU outside of subtext stuff. Does Peter even mention him?

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#102297: May 11th 2019 at 10:07:28 AM

Well, with Uncle Ben I think they mention him at least once.

However, the big issue is that UB is mostly important to Spiderman's origin story, which the MCU skipped over because the Amazing Spiderman had just come out.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102298: May 11th 2019 at 10:08:17 AM

I don't think that they ever specified the relation between May and Peter exactly...if they did, I don't think that it is truly important.

I also don't necessarily see Tony as a father figure for Peter, he is more a mentor. Which is a small difference but, well, May is great and all, but she isn't a genius. There are things in Peter's life she just can't help with. But she is always there for Peter to fall back on, no matter what.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#102299: May 11th 2019 at 10:37:55 AM

Sounds like the screenwriter didn't do the research, considering her last name is still Parker I think.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102300: May 11th 2019 at 10:40:33 AM

[up] So what? Aren't husbands taking the names of the wife in the US?


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