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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#102226: May 9th 2019 at 11:10:47 AM

It really struck me how refreshing it was to see Scott being an honest-to-god good, loving dad after several movies in a row of not-so-good-dads (Ego, Vulture, Odin, T'Chaka (well, he was good enough to T'Challa but y'know Killmonger rightfully had a thing or two to say there), Thanos).

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on May 9th 2019 at 11:11:19 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102227: May 9th 2019 at 11:52:56 AM

Well, I assume that Hawkeye is a pretty good dad too, even if he is constantly travelling.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#102228: May 9th 2019 at 11:55:22 AM

One thing I'd like to see in the movies going forward is more focus on the various forms of motherhood. Of that I think Frigga was a pretty good mother character. She was easily one of the best parts of The Dark World and her scenes in Endgame were also excellent. I'm struggling to think of any other prominent mothers or mother figures in the MCU, besides Quill's dead mom, or Cool Aunt Carol and Monica.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102229: May 9th 2019 at 11:58:49 AM

And Maria Stark.

I just realized that since Marvel is owned by Disney, there is an unhealthy trend of killing off mothers….

But there is also Janet's and hope's relationship. (Somehow Ant-man is always buckling the trend in those kind of things).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102230: May 9th 2019 at 12:03:48 PM

We could always use more dysfunctional mothers.

Share the dysfunction yawl. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on May 9th 2019 at 12:05:14 PM

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#102231: May 9th 2019 at 12:07:20 PM

Semi-related, but the general idea of this amuses me. Kinda sorta spoilers for Endgame. And yes, more good moms, pls.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#102232: May 9th 2019 at 12:26:41 PM

Good moms, bad moms, Action Moms, moms who want to be good but do bad, women who are generally good people but shitty at the mom thing, and so on.

[up]Holland Peter is cute and deserves all of the protection.

Edited by AlleyOop on May 9th 2019 at 3:27:05 PM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#102233: May 9th 2019 at 12:28:26 PM

Am I the only one who dislikes the idea of the multi-verse?

Probably.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102234: May 9th 2019 at 12:32:16 PM

[up][up] Yeah, especially when he has his bewildered look….

[up] Depends on why you dislike it...I have some concerns.

Edited by Swanpride on May 9th 2019 at 12:32:41 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#102235: May 9th 2019 at 12:45:46 PM

I don't dislike the idea of multi verse but it does get a little tiresome when complicates the plot and everything boils down to "Time travel lol" for plot holes

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102236: May 9th 2019 at 12:48:57 PM

Across his development in several movies, Scott might be my favorite character in the MCU. I like the theme in Ant Man and the Wasp of how people look at him like an idiot for his silly traits, but in the end he’s the most responsible person in the story.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#102237: May 9th 2019 at 12:52:20 PM

Another thing,

So Captain Marvel has connections to the Airforce,and Captain America has connections to the army

but where's the guy/girl with connections to the Navy?

Edited by Ultimatum on May 9th 2019 at 7:52:45 PM

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#102238: May 9th 2019 at 12:52:33 PM

Need more super moms. I guess Janet fits that.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102239: May 9th 2019 at 12:53:19 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] It just feels like a way to retread the same characters over and over again. Yes, I've seen into the spiderverse, I know that they can be very different versions of the same character, but it's not a concept I want to see made into a regular fixture of the universe.

Plus, it's just not that interesting to me. I don't know how to describe it. But when characters start going into exposition about multidimensionalism my eyes glaze over. I'm interested in THIS universe. Not other ones.

Edited by GNinja on May 9th 2019 at 7:55:28 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#102240: May 9th 2019 at 12:55:16 PM

Its not a retread.

Its exploring different possibilities & situations offering new insights or events.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#102241: May 9th 2019 at 12:57:18 PM

[up] God I feel like I don't even know how to talk on these forums. Everything people say makes me feel like I'm saying something stupid.

I just dont care about the concept of a multiverse. I'd rather this universe be fleshed out and new characters be introduced here. Not another version of the same character.

Edited by GNinja on May 9th 2019 at 7:59:35 PM

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#102242: May 9th 2019 at 12:57:19 PM

I feel like that applies to very varying extents depending on what universe. A scale from Ultimate to What If I suppose. I feel like comic Spider-Verse actually demonstrated that quite well; you have a handful of really interesting actually very different Spiders... and, like a hundred Peter Parkers.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102243: May 9th 2019 at 1:00:14 PM

[up][up] You say that like the universe isn't being fleshed out & new characters introduced.

Its not like a multiverse is gonna overtake everything especially since Mysterio is a new character here.

Edited by slimcoder on May 9th 2019 at 1:00:59 AM

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#102244: May 9th 2019 at 1:03:16 PM

[up][up][up] It's not stupid, and you definitely shouldn't feel that way. It's just that when talking comic book movies, you're going to run into a lot of comic fans, or at least fans of those characters from the comics or of superhero stuff in general. And speaking from that angle, it's kind of odd to run into someone for whom stuff like big fights or multiverses are apparently dealbreakers when like. That's a lot of the appeal? Or at least it's the stuff that really sets comic book stuff apart. The multiverse is just a thing that exists. Hell, part of what makes the MCU bullet-proof as an adaptation of the movies is that it has a specifically designated number within the broader Marvel multiverse (Earth-199999).

Actually, thinking about it, that really is something that doesn't (but should) come up a lot as a deflection of "this isn't like the comics" (a trap I've fallen into myself sometimes)... the MCU is specifically designated as one of a bunch of alternate Marvel timelines, which kind of sets it apart from your average "this is just a change in the medium". It's actually an alternate representation of characters and concepts from the Marvel stable, but in such a way where it could in theory (but probably won't) cross over with other things. Never really thought about that.

Edited by Khfan429 on May 9th 2019 at 1:06:21 AM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#102245: May 9th 2019 at 1:04:34 PM

[up][up] I'm not saying that.

But for instance. I have almost no interest in this new Spiderman movie now because they planted the idea that Mysterio might be from a different universe.

Yes, in all likelihood he's just screwing around and lying. But on the off chance that he isn't, I'm not interested. I'm not interested in an alternate universe version of Quentin Beck.

I guess to put it a different way. My problem with multi-verses is that I find all discussions around them by the fanbase to be very dull and uninteresting.

Edited by GNinja on May 9th 2019 at 8:04:54 AM

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#102246: May 9th 2019 at 1:07:38 PM

[up]See, that's confusing to me, because that's not really an explanation. What do you want to see, exactly, that Mysterio being from another universe doesn't provide when the MCU is itself alternative to the comics?

Edited by Khfan429 on May 9th 2019 at 1:08:06 AM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102247: May 9th 2019 at 1:09:04 PM

[up][up][up] Where'd you get the impression that I don't like big fights? I love big fights.

I guess it's because for me, what I find interesting about comic books are the villains. I'm an unapologetic villain guy. And I think conversations about multiverses are always centred around alternate takes on heroes, villains who are heroes in other universes, or heroes who are villains in other universes. Which are all takes that don't really appeal to me.

Are there many multiverse specific villains?

Edited by GNinja on May 9th 2019 at 8:10:19 AM

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#102248: May 9th 2019 at 1:15:26 PM

Sorry, should've specified big CGI fights, thought that was you earlier either here or in the Endgame thread, but might've been mistaken. In which case, sorry again.

I mean, there are some multiversal level threats, but the problem is trying to use those now reeks of trying too soon to one-up Thanos.

And really, I still don't understand why "alternate take on a villain" is so apparently dull when, again, that's what literally any adaptation of a villain from another medium actually is. The only difference is that now he's textually another adaptation. Assuming he isn't lying, and I'm a little baffled that so many people are getting so worked up over the multiverse in the first place when it's Mysterio and literally his entire schtick is faking to make himself seem more important or powerful. [lol]

Edited by Khfan429 on May 9th 2019 at 1:16:07 AM

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#102249: May 9th 2019 at 1:16:01 PM

I'm not sure if anyone really started that way. Possibly Maker (who, granted, is an evil alternate universe Reed Richard). Post Secret Wars, he exists in every universe but shares one consciousness (I think, it's weird)

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#102250: May 9th 2019 at 1:19:35 PM

[up][up] It all comes down to my mindset when watching something.

When I'm watching an adaptation of a book, I like thinking of the book and the film as entirely different entities. I don't like thinking of the MCU as taking place in the same canon reality as the comics. I like things being self contained and unique.

Kaze ni Nare!

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