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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
One whom he named "Jarro". Because he keeps him in a jar.
...What do you expect from a guy who names everything "Bat-something"?
Like cooking, handling personal trauma, and maintaining healthy interpersonal relationships, naming things is yet another one of the skills Batman has utterly failed to master.
Disgusted, but not surprisedLemme explain a little better what I meant. I actually wasn't talking about Thanos, but since it was mentioned...
It's an omniscient magical universe energy rock, it can do whatever the writers want. So it having a measuring stick for objective love wouldn't be out of place at all.
Anyway, I was actually talking about Tony's reunion with Howard Stark. In Endgame, Tony closes his mixed feelings towards his father by reuniting with him in the past, and hearing Howard worry about his fear of raising a child leads to Tony to conclude that Howard was ultimately trying his best just like Tony.
Which I find really weird because it's been canon since Iron Man 2 that Howard was emotionally neglectful to Tony throughout all his life. Tony doesn't have any reason to fear that he's going to screw up raising Morgan like Howard screwed up with him. For the past five years Tony's apparently been a fantastic dad. So hearing Tony brush off his flaws as 'my dad fumbled but I fumble too' is weird because Tony hasn't fumbled anywhere near as bad as Howard from what we've seen. And then Howard does the same thing with 'yeah my dad beat me but that's just all he knew' which is even worse of a dismissal??
To be honest, Howard Stark was so often portrayed mostly-heroic throughout much of the MCU that sometimes I wonder if the films just forgot that he sucked as a dad. Also it's really weird in retrospect that the "Howard was flawed but good intentioned" scene opens with him asking where's his Nazi torture-man coworker.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 8th 2019 at 10:02:53 AM
It's not really a dismissal. I think the point is more to show how what we consider "parenting" has changed over the decades. Also, considering that Howard is a Walt Disney expy, a very hidden hint to the realities of Walt Disney's own childhood.
And regarding Thanos: I think that so many people have a hard time with it because they don't understand that love and abuse are not two different things.
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Yeah, I watched Saving Mr. Banks yesterday, and Walt mentioned how his father would make him deliver newspaper on bone-chilling snow days and if he doesn't do a good job, he would meet father's belt. Which is how Howard described his childhood experience with his father.
Yet Walt stated that he still loved his father. And when you look at Tony Stark's words to Howard, he mentioned he could only remember the good times despite knowing neglectfulness and emotional abuse from his father. Nostalgia has a funny way of coloring reflections.
There could be many times where our parents did something wrong or abusive to us, and yet we somehow are prone to filter all of that out to remember the best memories with our parents. I guess we'll never know why.
Edited by Shadao on May 8th 2019 at 11:15:54 AM
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Well, he became John Slattery during the 70s at the very least.
Oh I know they soften the actual events of that particular story, but I do believe Walt's in-universe story about his father is real. It doesn't paint Elias Disney in a flattering light and from what I've read about Disney's early days, it's not far from the truth.
Edited by Shadao on May 8th 2019 at 11:29:47 AM
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There's a shot in, I think it was Age of Ultron, where they have an image of a young Howard Stark on the screen and it's a composite of Cooper and Slattery's faces. So we're just supposed to assume that his face naturally changed to be that way with time.
Edited by AlleyOop on May 8th 2019 at 2:27:13 PM
It's one of those things where you realize that almost all of Iron Man's films have been leading up to Endgame's scene, which a very nice put of Arc Welding (considering the movies were written and directed by many different people). Tony's issues with his father didn't stop after Iron Man 2 revealed Howard loved him; they continued and probably would have still continued past Endgame if Tony hadn't died.
Edited by alliterator on May 9th 2019 at 1:04:57 AM
Also, while it is never addressed in the movies directly, Agent Carter provides a huge puzzle piece to Howards behaviour towards Tony. Howard always felt guilty over what his weapons did in WWII. He always felt that everything he built was destructive with one sole exception: Captain America. For Howard Cap was the one weapon which truly did some good, hence he spend his life searching for him. From the perspective of Tony, though, he read it as Howard holding him to an impossible standard. Hence the line that Tony is Howard's best creation is so important. And it is a shame that Howard never managed to make this clear to Tony while he was still alive.
To be super extra clear, the scene in Endgame is not about apologizing for the way Howard Stark behaved toward Tony. It's about Tony reconciling his feelings about his father and becoming emotionally whole. This is a desirable thing that can be accomplished without condoning anyone's actions.
One is not supposed to take away from the MCU that raising one's kids in a cold, distant manner turns them into genius industrialists. At least I hope that's not what anyone really believes.
Edited by Fighteer on May 9th 2019 at 6:48:10 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Guardians 2 would probably be the most clear on that theme then
Just full of people trying to raise above their dysfunction and the abuse they suffered
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe theme is also very strong in Ant-man. I mean, there is no abuse theme in it, Cassie is a very lucky girl, but I just enjoy how all the adults in her life try to protect her one way or another, how nobody is portrayed as some sort of idiot or shrew just to portray Scott's desire to see his daughter as right - in fact, the movie comes pretty much down on the "first get you life in order and your priorities straight" side of the argument - and how they eventually come to an arrangement in which all of them get along for Cassie's sake.

Killing people is practically most of what he does
Although I was mostly listing their respective policies on orphans rather than the full rap sheet
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