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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102101: May 8th 2019 at 1:50:22 AM

[up][up] Yes, but at this point the F4 had already proofed itself to be a potentially viable Franchise. Provided that the studio actually produces a good movie.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102102: May 8th 2019 at 2:08:00 AM

Don't forget that even the first movie, despite doing fairly well in the box office was also not rated very highly. The critical reception was harsh and even the audience reception was somewhat mixed and average.

When the best the franchise can produce is "profitable but still mediocre"...it's tough to make the case that a studio should invest money in it when they already have other more viable franchises.

There is still potential, of course. But good luck convincing risk-averse studio heads and executives to give it a shot.

Edited by M84 on May 8th 2019 at 5:09:52 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#102103: May 8th 2019 at 2:33:43 AM

It is a shame we won't have Steve Rogers seeing the Human Torch in action and commenting he could do it better.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102104: May 8th 2019 at 3:01:03 AM

[up][up] You logic is kind of backwards. If a franchise can do good money on a movie which is generally considered bad, it naturally is even more viable if you offer a good movie. Granted, for Fox it most likely wouldn't have made sense to try again. But the fans trust Marvel, they will be there in a second for a good fantastic four version.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102105: May 8th 2019 at 3:04:22 AM

[up]The only way a Fantastic Four movie will be greenlit will be if one or more of the higher-ups at Disney or Marvel Studios is a huge fan of the comic. Or if a big name director expresses interest in it.

Selling it as a sound business decision would be a challenge. Especially considering the damage the most recent movie in 2015 did to the brand. That movie was a travesty due to its Troubled Production.

Edited by M84 on May 8th 2019 at 6:07:14 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#102106: May 8th 2019 at 3:07:21 AM

Oh, I absolutely believe the Fantastic Four is coming to the MCU. The questions are when and how.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102107: May 8th 2019 at 3:09:37 AM

Let's just hope it's not another origin story movie.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102108: May 8th 2019 at 3:12:59 AM

The Fantastic 4 will make it to the MCU when Feige feels that the time is right. Which will be most likely in around 3 years, depending on how his plans actually look like. Hell, recent developments make the Fantastic 4 an even better fit than beforehand. Remember, Family of explorers. Between Space, the multiverse and potential new cities under the seas there is a lot to explore for them.

[up] Doubt it. Especially since they have an origin which could be summoned up in one short flashback.

Edited by Swanpride on May 8th 2019 at 3:13:42 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102109: May 8th 2019 at 3:15:12 AM

Let's also hope they don't decide to go with the direction that the Ultimate Fantastic Four did what with turning Reed Richards into a mass murdering supervillain called The Maker.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#102110: May 8th 2019 at 3:22:34 AM

[up]That's an entirely unfounded fear. When has the MCU followed characterisation from the Ultimate universe?

The answer is never.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102111: May 8th 2019 at 3:22:44 AM

That will never happen.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#102112: May 8th 2019 at 3:23:41 AM

If you say never three times it shall happen,hence,never say never

Edited by Ultimatum on May 8th 2019 at 10:23:58 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102113: May 8th 2019 at 3:24:49 AM

That's Tempting Fate if I ever heard it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#102114: May 8th 2019 at 3:27:37 AM

What's that,you want adaptation of the Cloning Saga AND One Day More?

well ,alright then

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#102115: May 8th 2019 at 3:29:01 AM

We did have an adaptation of Civil War. Thankfully it was so different from the source material that it wasn't completely awful and character derailing.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102116: May 8th 2019 at 3:29:57 AM

It inspire Civil War II though which was worse.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#102117: May 8th 2019 at 3:30:12 AM

Let's do an adaptation of Sins Past. That'll surely go great!

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#102118: May 8th 2019 at 4:26:42 AM

The FF's origin could probably get the same treatment as Spidey's: assume anyone who cares knows already. It's not quite as solid but it would be pure rehash.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102119: May 8th 2019 at 4:38:53 AM

Well, they might put a little bit more effort into it and throw in some sort of summary, since the F4 are a little bit less known than Spider-Man.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#102120: May 8th 2019 at 4:41:03 AM

they are both relatively well known thanks to the cartoons,merchandise and films,if anything more people know about the Fantastic Four because it's older then Spiderman by decades

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#102121: May 8th 2019 at 4:51:52 AM

I’d like to see Fantastic Four as one of those fancy cartoon animation shows with a myth arc

I’m afraid that unless Marvel’s “kids are super dumb” stance has changed while I’ve not been paying attention then it’s not to be

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102122: May 8th 2019 at 5:03:35 AM

Sad Marvel can't have good cartoons anymore.

Thank God DC still has Young Justice.

Sure they still got Teen Titans Go! but ya take what ya can get.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102123: May 8th 2019 at 5:06:52 AM

The current Spidey series is pretty decent, but it got cancelled so...

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#102124: May 8th 2019 at 5:10:07 AM

The Fantastic 4 have had a bunch of good cartoons over the years, but the most recent one was all the way back in 2006 and was canceled after only one season.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#102125: May 8th 2019 at 5:12:44 AM

I actually liked that one... Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes, wasn't it called?


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