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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#102076: May 7th 2019 at 6:04:33 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]That's just wrong. Even if you solely count the Avengers films (and Civil War), we also see stories for:

  • Hawkeye
  • T'Challa
  • Wanda
  • Vision
  • Hulk
  • Spider-Man
  • Thanos

And the concept of how a team faces adversity or crumbles under it.

Yes the Trinity take center stage, but it's not like they're Cyclops or Nightcrawler.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 7th 2019 at 8:07:35 AM

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#102077: May 7th 2019 at 6:07:45 PM

On a similar topic Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2 did a pretty good job at giving all the Guardians and so on a fairly decent subplot or character beat. Except maybe Groot? I think he learned something and grew but it’s hard to say

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#102078: May 7th 2019 at 6:13:07 PM

[up]Nah Groot was always perfect and did nothing wrong.

Edited by LordVatek on May 7th 2019 at 9:13:21 AM

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#102079: May 7th 2019 at 6:18:51 PM

A good Fantastic Four focused film could be done, but with the X-Men I'd rather just sprinkle their heroes and villains throughout other franchises than do more X-Men-centric films. The Fox films kinda turned me off to them.

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#102080: May 7th 2019 at 6:19:57 PM

The Fox films kinda turned me off to them.

And that right there is why we need new X-films by the masters of superhero storytelling.

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#102081: May 7th 2019 at 6:21:13 PM

The monkey paw curls its finger...

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#102082: May 7th 2019 at 6:23:09 PM

“Nah Groot was always perfect and did nothing wrong.”

My mistake!

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#102083: May 7th 2019 at 6:24:42 PM

Some of the MCU’s most popular characters are unironically a talking tree & raccoon.

How far we’ve come.

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#102084: May 7th 2019 at 6:48:32 PM

Huh. Disney's Star Wars writers could take a page from the Marvel writers for how to do non-human characters well.

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#102085: May 7th 2019 at 7:09:49 PM

The MCU did what no other superhero studio was willing to do: play the characters and ideas completely straight and make no apologies for doing so.

Some studios be like, "They're X-Men, but they're COOL and EDGY. Only losers wear colorful spandex." And other studios be like, "I mean, it's Batman but AHAHAHAHA IT'S CAMPY AND FUN. LOL WE'RE IN ON THE JOKE TOO. WHAT A SILLY GENRE."

And then the MCU was like, "F*ck you, I have a raccoon with a minigun, deal with it."

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 7th 2019 at 8:10:54 AM

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#102086: May 7th 2019 at 7:16:22 PM

That feeling when some of your franchise's most effectively heartbreaking moments come from a walking talking gun-toting raccoon.

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#102087: May 7th 2019 at 7:25:34 PM

Come to think of it, was it ever clarified if Rocket was originally a racoon from Earth or an alien creature that just happens to resemble a racoon?

Edited by M84 on May 7th 2019 at 10:26:26 PM

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#102088: May 7th 2019 at 7:26:17 PM

He’s apparently not really a raccoon but does apparently eat garbage

So, iunno

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#102089: May 7th 2019 at 7:26:32 PM

And since Rocket was mentioned, let's once again honor Oreo's memory.

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#102090: May 7th 2019 at 7:32:44 PM

[up]x5 Honestly I think there is plenty of room for more subdued interpretations of comic book superheroes. And I'll even credit those early movies with laying the foundation that allowed the MCU and other later comic book movies to truly embrace the comic book craziness of their source materials.

Even the MCU didn't go from zero to 60 day one. The Phase 1 films, especially the first few, tended to be a lot more gritty and grounded then what followed. Thor: Ragnarok for example is not a movie that could of existed in any sense in Phase 1.

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#102091: May 7th 2019 at 7:51:43 PM

[up][up]:(

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#102092: May 7th 2019 at 9:50:42 PM

So what would you guys think about a Fantastic Four Movie with a production Design based on Late Marvel Period Jack Kirby?

Once he wasn't doing like 5 issues a week, Kirby really starts to stretch his artistic Muscles, and there's no better place to see that than the second half of the Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four Run. The earlier stuff is good, but there's a definite change in the art starting around issue 34 or so, and fully solidifies with Issue Issue 48, the Debut of the Silver Surfer. That's when things like Kirby Krackle and long form storytelling really start to get introduced, but his style has never been fully realized on screen.

The Fantastic Four really deserve a good adaptation, since this was the comic that really started in all in terms of Marvel. It was the first collaboration between Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, and completely revolutionized comics as a medium, in ways that are still being felt today.

Edited by megaeliz on May 7th 2019 at 1:46:59 PM

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#102093: May 7th 2019 at 10:11:53 PM

I think that no matter what, Marvel should wrap up the current X-men run first. And I mean all of it, including the gifted. And with "wrapping up" I don't mean "cancel it", but let it peter out. And then wait for a while. The X-men could use a break.

The fantastic 4 on the other hand...they are a family of explorers! They are practically made for the MCU.

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#102094: May 7th 2019 at 10:13:45 PM

The failures of the last two movies might make future directors and producers wary of trying though.

Hollywood types are notoriously superstitious about this sort of thing.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102095: May 7th 2019 at 10:23:24 PM

Are you referring to the Fantastic 4? I think the fact that the first movie made a more than decent amount of money weights more in this case. Everyone knows that the reason the last movie failed was extremely toxic Wo M.

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#102096: May 7th 2019 at 10:38:45 PM

Didn't they already cancel The Gifted?

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#102097: May 7th 2019 at 10:49:37 PM

[up][up]Rise of the Silver Surfer was bad. And the attempted reboot made it look good in comparison.

That's two movies in a row that were failures.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102098: May 7th 2019 at 11:13:18 PM

[up][up] Did they? I don't really follow the Gifted.

[up] Studios don't care about the quality of a movie, they care about box office numbers. And Fantastic 4 does have the potential to deliver, if handled right.

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#102099: May 8th 2019 at 12:02:47 AM

Rise of the Silver Surfer didn't have very good box office numbers either. It had a strong opening weekend and it did make a profit, but overall it didn't do as well as the first film. Its lackluster performance and its terrible critical reception are why the third film never materialized.

The reboot film did much worse. Lowest grossing Fantastic Four film to date and the worst rated.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#102100: May 8th 2019 at 12:55:59 AM

[up] Fant4stick sucked. I swear the no budget Roger Corman one, was better than it, since you can get at least some enjoyment from earnestness and So Bad, It's Good production values. (The Incredibles still holds the honor of being the best Fantastic Four Movie though.)

That's why I say they should try pushing further into a Kirby type production design, and embrace the ridiculousness of a superfamily that once went to heaven to rescue Ben Grimm after he died.

Edited by megaeliz on May 8th 2019 at 12:14:07 PM


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