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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#102051: May 7th 2019 at 1:17:43 PM

Humans always have the tendency to join against the bigger enemy, and the bigger enemy is clearly in space.
Human beings aren't the smartest when it comes to protecting their own planet, however. See: climate change. I bet you, as soon as the Snap happened, there were people blaming the Avengers for not stopping it and they will continue to blame the Avengers or mutants or whatever no matter what. They might even deny that aliens were responsible at all and create, say, conspiracy theories about what caused the Decimation.

There are scary aliens out there. Which destroyed Asgard.
The majority of people either don't know about Asgard or don't care about Asgard.

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#102052: May 7th 2019 at 1:20:32 PM

[T]here's no reason for the X-Men to even be a decades old organization in the first place. They could be founded in real time.

Obviously, that's true, but if they do that, they can't maintain strict accuracy with comic book canon, at least not to the degree that the Fox X-Men films did. This is not a bad thing by any means, just an observation.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102053: May 7th 2019 at 1:21:43 PM

people have to see the X-men as the biggest threat to their future.

There are people who see women in movies as the biggest threat to their future. There were people who saw the existence of a black president as the biggest threat to their future. Militant prejudice absolutely still exists in the world. Etcetera and so on.

There are always people who see the existence of something new and different as the biggest threat to their future, especially when that something becomes widespread and they can believe it's "taking over" their status quo.

It's one of the easiest story beats to sell, because everyone can relate to it in some way. A new race of people developing worldwide would not be hard to establish as tumultuous.

Obviously, that's true, but if they do that, they can't maintain strict accuracy with comic book canon, at least not to the degree that the Fox X-Men films did.

That's never stopped the MCU before.

We just had a pretty big conversation about how the Spider-Man mythos in the MCU is very different from its comic counterpart, iirc, and that's just the tip of it.

There's stuff like Thor not actually being the defender of Midgard and barely spending any time there, half the Guardians not being from Earth as they were in the comics, Hank and Jan not being founding Avengers, Hulk never getting a rogues gallery nor any of his supporters showing up, small stuff like Tony and Pepper continuing to be a thing, etc and so on.

They never had the problem of "well, we could have Hank and Jan help found the Avengers in this continuity, let's just make an alternate continuity where they did." They just rolled with it.

Tbh, an X-Men film would be more impactful as a response to modern day problems than a strict adaptation of the - as Deadpool put it - "outdated analogy for racism in the 60's" anyway. Have the team grow and slowly rise up in response to the issues we face today.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 7th 2019 at 1:28:36 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102054: May 7th 2019 at 1:29:56 PM

and yet the studios keep making female lead and diverse movies...because they have finally realised that there is a huge untapped demographic and which group is actually in the majority.

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#102055: May 7th 2019 at 1:33:12 PM

There being a single Marvel movie starring a white woman and a single starring a black man doesn’t mean bigotry is over.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 7th 2019 at 1:35:33 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102056: May 7th 2019 at 1:38:23 PM

Nor, in addition, would it mean that people would be suddenly unable to relate to a movie about how said bigotry persists.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 7th 2019 at 1:41:31 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#102057: May 7th 2019 at 1:39:21 PM

[up][up] Again, not what I am claiming. But for the world of the X-men to work, you need the public to be okay with sentinels walking though the cities to hunt down teenagers. I just can't see that happening in the way the MCU is set up.

Edited by Swanpride on May 7th 2019 at 1:39:31 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102058: May 7th 2019 at 1:41:59 PM

Only if they choose to adapt Sentinels, actually. Even the old series didn’t do that until five movies in.

And, to note, that movie adapted them in a surprisingly realistic way, with a great deal of people not being okay with them, but events shocking some in power into believing they were necessary, followed by the entire situation exploding out of control.

Most people aren’t okay with real life militant bigotry either. That doesn’t stop organizations dedicated to it from existing, or from those same people.becoming desensitized to their actions. That doesn’t even stopping it from happening on a national level: looking worldwide, genocides still happen.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 7th 2019 at 1:45:15 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#102059: May 7th 2019 at 1:44:06 PM

Sentinels already used it in a movie.

If they are going to make X-men movies, better bring new ideas.

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#102060: May 7th 2019 at 1:48:38 PM

“Wait, when you were young you didn’t have a Department of Sentinel Security?”

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#102061: May 7th 2019 at 1:50:20 PM

> Sentinels already used it in a movie.

In a simulation as I recall,unless it was Days of Future Past?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#102062: May 7th 2019 at 2:01:05 PM

They made a cameo in The Last Stand but were part of the plot for Days of Future Past. As far as other X-Men stories go Dark Phoenix is already a wash but there's always Mojoworld?

Anyway it's never going to happen but I would be highly amused if Richard Madden and Sebastian Stan ever get put in the same movie together. Although they'd probably have Stan keep his beard to make it easy to differentiate the two.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#102063: May 7th 2019 at 2:22:49 PM

For a potential Fantastic Four Reboot, I would love to see it really embrace a Jack Kirby style aesthetic in the production design and overall look of the movie.

Edited by megaeliz on May 7th 2019 at 7:52:44 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102064: May 7th 2019 at 5:30:49 PM

As far as other X-Men stories go Dark Phoenix is already a wash but there's always Mojoworld?

They could have Graydon Creed be the Big Bad and use the Friends of Humanity as a pastiche of the Alt Right. They could also do a movie about the Morlocks. Or both at once, even better.

I think the best way to set up X-Men is to have them first appear individually: Rogue and Mystique in Captain Marvel, Storm - much as I dislike T'Challa / Ororo - in Black Panther (I'd dig a plot involving the Shadow King), maybe if it wasn't too late retool New Mutants into being a standalone story about a bunch of kids with powers trying to make it in a world that doesn't understand them, etc.

And then eventually we get an X-Men film which initially functions like a kind of support group or civil rights organization (kind of a "we're here, and we have to make sure we're all heard" thing), until things escalate and they outright have to act.

Hell, an interesting twist would be if they never really gave the X-Men a movie of their own, but gave a couple individual members film, made Xavier a major recurrer in the verse as a whole, and had the group as a whole be pivotal supporting characters that were part of the setting, kind of like the way the previous phases used SHIELD.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 7th 2019 at 5:36:31 AM

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#102065: May 7th 2019 at 5:37:22 PM

I just really, really don't want the Mutants in the MCU. Their presence doesn't add much and reduces opportunity for lesser known characters in both the mutant and non-mutant worlds to get recognition.

I'd like for the current X-Men universe to continue on under this new timeline, preferably. Just with more focus on different characters. They're already 11 movies in. Adding them to the MCU is unlikely give us Forge as anything other than an Iron Man replacement, or give Mister Sinister, etc.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102066: May 7th 2019 at 5:41:11 PM

The X-Men don’t actually have 11 movies.

It’s more like 11 movies of Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto, & a little bit Mystique.

People keep getting that wrong.

Edited by slimcoder on May 7th 2019 at 5:41:45 AM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#102067: May 7th 2019 at 5:45:51 PM

So what would you guys like to like to see in Potential Fantastic Four Movie?

Edited by megaeliz on May 7th 2019 at 8:47:12 AM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#102068: May 7th 2019 at 5:48:06 PM

X-Men have had like two and half decent movies and a large pile of mediocre to bad movies. If nothing else being in the MCU would be the chance to do them right.

Edited by LordVatek on May 7th 2019 at 8:48:32 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102069: May 7th 2019 at 5:52:21 PM

[up][up] Lost In Space, with superheroes. Or Journey to the Center of the Earth, with superheroes. Or 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, with superheroes, etc.

Strange and astounding adventures, exploring new and fantastical things in the MCU, bonding as a family, that sort of thing.

Have what's on the end of the horizon always be even grander than we thing, yet always lead to more questions.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 7th 2019 at 5:56:02 AM

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#102070: May 7th 2019 at 5:55:40 PM

[up][up][up][up]Right, that.

[up][up]Or they could just be done right. Being in the MCU isn't a requirement for a film to be done right. See: Deadpool. But also, See: every other good movie in existence.

[up][up][up]Fantastic Four villains interacting with non-Fantastic Four characters. I don't really care about the Four, but I'd like to see the Maker, Galactus, and Doctor Doom.
Then again, given we have an established multiverse, just having the Four attempt to neutralize The Maker in various universes would be a good enough movie on its own. Like a reverse Spider-Verse, but also we get references to the previous Fantastic Four films. And Funny Valentine and D4C Jojo references.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on May 7th 2019 at 8:01:03 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#102071: May 7th 2019 at 5:57:17 PM

"It’s more like 11 movies of Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto, & a little bit Mystique."

Under the same logic, we have not had movies of avengers, but movies of Iron Man, Captain America, Thor & a little bit Black Widow.

Both franchises have sinned much of the same.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on May 7th 2019 at 5:57:42 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#102072: May 7th 2019 at 5:57:42 PM

[up][up] I believe that meant that in the sense of "the MCU gives the X-Men a chance to get a fresh start with a team with a different and more overall successful take on adapting comics into film, which could finally bring them more consistent success."

I'm pretty sure it wasn't meant as "they can only be good if it's in the MCU."

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 7th 2019 at 6:01:16 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#102073: May 7th 2019 at 5:59:34 PM

[up][up] Not the same comparison.

When a movie is titled “Captain America” you naturally expect it to focus on Captain America.

When a movie is titled “X-Men” you expect it to focus on the group of X-Men.

Even then each of the Avengers have gotten their own focus so to say the MCU did it just as badly is bullshit.

Edited by slimcoder on May 7th 2019 at 6:00:12 AM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#102074: May 7th 2019 at 6:00:12 PM

[up][up]Yeah that's what I meant.

Edited by LordVatek on May 7th 2019 at 9:00:20 AM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#102075: May 7th 2019 at 6:03:11 PM

Something that I like about the X-men movies more than the mcu movies, were the sentinels in comparison to the Ultron robots.

If we talk about threatening robots, the sentinels kick the butt of the drones that can not beat Black Widow.

Future Sentinels are probably one of the most dangerous Mooks in cinema.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on May 7th 2019 at 6:04:44 AM


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