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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
. Honestly though, MCU Peter is arguably closer to Miles than 616 Peter. They stole his best friend, his school, and he’s still a teen, instead of the fully grown adult he’s been since the end of the Silver Age.
Marvel generally uses A Sliding Timescale so the first Lee/Ditko run is still very Broad Strokes cannon, right?
Edited by megaeliz on May 7th 2019 at 4:16:59 AM
. I mean that broadly.
Though the creators of Spider-Verse have talked about their “Oh Crap” moment, after seeing homecoming, since they were originally planning to have Ganke play a big role in the first act of the movie. You can actually see that cut in the alt Universe Mode on the Blu Ray
Edited by megaeliz on May 7th 2019 at 4:27:42 AM
Well, Miles is a legacy character and that is exactly the problem with legacy characters: You need to earn them!!!! It is way too early to kill Spider-Man off, so we will have to wait for Miles. Most likely for a long time because frankly, ideally we will get to see Spider-Man going through college and marrying and so on this time around. No half-measures, I want them to follow out favourite web slingers for a while.
The upside is that by the time we get to Miles, what it means to be a teen will have changed again. I suspect that Marvel will always have one teen character, and I suspect the order will be Spider-Man, Kamala, Miles.
More fun Steampunk
Spider-Man designs here.
Edited by Nightwire on May 7th 2019 at 4:44:24 AM
#101937:
This is exactly what I was trying to get across, perhaps not as clearly as you. There's something very ironic about Tony Stark, of all people, teaching Peter Parker about responsibility, but having the surrogate father figure be deeply flawed as well adds a great deal of depth to the storytelling.
In Far from Home, it seems that Peter's taken a different message to heart: he accepts the responsibility of being Spider-Man, but he also wants to be a normal kid, and the main character conflict will be him moving into a more leadership-focused role.
@M84: Sorry about that, but I cut myself off from this thread for about two weeks prior to Endgame precisely because of that concern. We're past the official spoiler embargo, anyway, and it's all but impossible to discuss the Far From Home trailer without at least some spoilers.
Edited by Fighteer on May 7th 2019 at 7:46:21 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Hell, even Spider-Verse, as much as people gush about it, still doesn't really focus on the "responsibility" theme. It's more about Miles growing and becoming a hero, but it even cuts off the "with great power" quote right before the word "responsibility".
Homecoming is, to date, the only Spider-Man movie that I think actually makes "taking responsibility" into its core theme, and that's why it feels so true to the character for me, even more so than Spider-Verse. That's why I still think Homecoming is the best Spider-Man film, because it actually builds its themes and story structure around the idea of responsibility instead of just paying the word lip service.
It approaches responsibility from a lot of different angles and perspectives, and analyzes different ways someone can be responsible and take responsibility for themselves, instead of just the basic "be a responsible hero by helping others".
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 7th 2019 at 4:59:37 AM
The debate about Mysterio being described as a sorcerer and whether this is just more of his usual illusionist shtick looks very much like running headlong into Clarke's Third Law from my perspective. If he IS somehow behind the elemental monsters and not the hero he's described as, then his tech/illusion skills are off the chain as these things are doing actual real damage in real time from what we've seen. If they are "just'' robots or illusions then he's on another level to pretty much anyone we've seen so far.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."![]()
MJ has been portrayed as extremely intelligent so far, and she's already picked up on the weird Peter/Spider-Man duality in Homecoming. It would be strange for her not to figure it out, and it works very well with Marvel's insistence on giving female side characters more agency.
Edited by Fighteer on May 7th 2019 at 9:05:25 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Something completely different: Examining the Sokovia Accords legally.
Cap was right, btw.
Also, I always wonder who is even watching those "x things you missed" vids. The fact aside that they tend to be very light on anything but the obvious, who even wants to know exactly that? I am STILL p... off that someone discovered Bucky's hacked off arm in the background of this Civil War trailer.
Edited by Swanpride on May 7th 2019 at 6:09:27 AM
That came up already a few pages ago. What I said then, and I will repeat for those who missed it, is that the video specifically and only addresses the legality of the Accords with respect to the U.S. Constitution, and not their ethics or morality. Now, the points highlighted do also sound extremely vague and indefensible from a moral standpoint, but that's not the thrust of Tony's argument for the Accords.
While we are obviously intended to root for Steve in Civil War (he is, after all, the protagonist), I find a moral conflict to be far more compelling if both sides have reasonable points, and Tony does make some good ones. It's just that he's also consumed by his own traumas and failures and is projecting them onto the rest of the Avengers. The tragedy of the film is that they could have worked it out peacefully, and, even more, that their failure to do so leads inexorably to the defeat in Infinity War.
Edited by Fighteer on May 7th 2019 at 9:17:40 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Miles is indeed not the first Spider-Man.
A big part of his character is him being the second Spider-Man due to following in the legacy of the previous Spider-Man.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."