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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#101826: May 6th 2019 at 4:23:00 AM

I think it also came out back when 3D viewings was a big starting out thing.

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#101827: May 6th 2019 at 4:26:24 AM

It's weird because I don't think the movie even looks that good.

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#101828: May 6th 2019 at 4:29:09 AM

Its like someone put a glamour spell on it,not everyone is effected it by it.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#101829: May 6th 2019 at 4:32:51 AM

It was one of the first more special effects heavy films.

It was a showcase of how powerful CG & Serkis Folk can go.

Edited by slimcoder on May 6th 2019 at 5:13:18 AM

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#101830: May 6th 2019 at 4:39:44 AM

Yeah a lot of it was really just hot shit for its time.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on May 6th 2019 at 4:39:55 AM

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#101831: May 6th 2019 at 5:13:34 AM

Avatar sold itself on being The Best Looking Movie Ever, with real humans next to CGI aliens next to CGI humans, and all of them being nearly indistinguishable from one another. Its plot is derivative as hell, but the look of the film was 100% its entire appeal.

Avatar was marketed as An Event, a Landmark Moment In Film Effects History, you absolutely HAD to watch it in theaters. It didn't have a massive opening weekend, but it had INSANE legs, consistently making the same amount of money for weeks and weeks and months on end every single weekend it was in theaters.

Also, for some reason, James Cameron can occasionally get otherwise mediocre-to-merely-good movies to make unreasonable amounts of cash, a power no director should possess.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#101832: May 6th 2019 at 5:16:29 AM

It almost make me think that James Cameron made some kind of supernatural bargain. He has not one, but TWO movies that are among the highest-grossing in history, that were popular for the unusually long time that they were in theatres - and that, a couple years afterwards, most everyone concluded were okay-to-not-great.

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#101833: May 6th 2019 at 5:18:59 AM

Could be there's a formula he follows when making his movies that pays off every time,I know some directors do have a pattern they follow

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#101834: May 6th 2019 at 5:21:35 AM

It doesn’t help that the Avatar sequels are in endless Development Hell. Seriously they announced multiple installments as apart of a franchise & they can’t even get the direct sequel out the door.

Hell the last Avatar news I heard wasn’t even about the movie. It was about Ubisoft announcing over a year ago that they are making an Avatar game with a trailer comprised of people talking about how they are gonna work on the game with no actual gameplay or CG trailers.

There hasn’t been any news since then so the name may very well be cursed.

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#101835: May 6th 2019 at 5:22:28 AM

The formula is simple: be a ruthless nitpicking perfectionist who drives everyone to tears.

Stanley Kubrick uses it too.

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#101836: May 6th 2019 at 5:25:22 AM

I mean, a “perfectionist” okay’d that script? tongue

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#101837: May 6th 2019 at 5:30:45 AM

Well there’s no clear standard of perfection.

Everyone has their own idea of what they believe perfect to be.

As they say one man’s trash or in this case trash script is another man’s beloved pretentious piece of dreck. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on May 6th 2019 at 5:31:01 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#101838: May 6th 2019 at 5:50:09 AM

Avatar had simply pretty good timing. It was released in mid-december and ended up running pretty much unchallenged through the whole of January, February, March and April (since that was before summer season basically started in April). There was no other blockbuster released in that period (I think the first truly big challenger came in Juni). And everyone was telling everyone that this was a big screen movie, that you just HAD to watch those effects for yourself.

If you look at the number for Avatar, it actually started out pretty unspectacular. Solid opening, but no record breaker. Until you get to the fourth, fight, sixth aso Weekend. There it suddenly outperformed other movies by proving to have extremely long legs. And it did well in Europe...better than Endgame so far (but Endgame has still time to catch up).

endgame most likely won't have legs like that, though. No matter how popular it is now, there are some other movies which will draw the attention of the audience right around the corner.

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#101839: May 6th 2019 at 6:27:51 AM

Hey are there any Mantis fics pre-Guardians?

Like where she has to deal with Ego’s serial filicide?

She’s basically starved for social contact and I can’t imagine that any children of Ego would last long after he realizes they’re useless to his plans but there’s probably a short time in there for Mantis to hope that this time is different even though Ego succeeding is also very bad

I’m also not sure how the timescales match up. Mantis seems young but she’s an alien so who can tell

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#101840: May 6th 2019 at 6:29:56 AM

New Far From Home trailer!

Oh, and spoilers for Endgame.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on May 6th 2019 at 6:34:50 AM

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#101841: May 6th 2019 at 6:35:02 AM

I'm betting Mysterio ends up being actually, well, Mysterio: Actually a villain where everything he does is just practical effects and SFX.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#101842: May 6th 2019 at 6:44:26 AM

Lololololol…

and double lol for Tom Holland of all people giving out a spoiler warning.

I think we move the discussion about this trailer better to the endgame spoiler thread, but I will say this: I hope they don't destroy too many historical buildings. I am not sure if I would be able to handle it after Notre Dame.

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#101843: May 6th 2019 at 7:06:40 AM

[up] Considering all the filming was likely done long before The Norte Dame Fire, I don’t think they can edit much if they do end up destroying historical landmarks in the movie, in all honesty.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#101844: May 6th 2019 at 7:12:49 AM

[up] I know. Hence me hoping that they didn't overdid it in the first place.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#101845: May 6th 2019 at 7:18:08 AM

I do like the little nod to the Spider-Man Noir costume.

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#101846: May 6th 2019 at 7:35:54 AM

No closer to the true mystery here.

Is Mysterio for real or are these all elaborate effects?

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#101847: May 6th 2019 at 7:44:12 AM

Okay, this is a great trailer. Now I don't even know what to expect from Mysterio.

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#101848: May 6th 2019 at 7:47:15 AM

I think it also came out back when 3D viewings was a big starting out thing.

That was it, yes. It was basically the Star Wars of 3-D visual effects. Note also that a 3-D ticket costs like twice as much as a regular ticket, which inflated Avatar's take.

Avatar came out at a time when 3-D technology was the hot new shit and was THE movie to go to in order to see the wonders of immersive 3-D viewing. While also coming out before audiences got sick of the 3-D movie gimmick. That's not to say 3-D films aren't still made, but it's nowhere near the HOT NEW THING that it was in Avatar's day.

It was basically the exact right movie to showcase the hot new technology at exactly the right time to get everyone to splurge on those expensive 3-D tickets.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 6th 2019 at 8:47:24 AM

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#101849: May 6th 2019 at 7:47:41 AM

[up][up][up] My guess is that he is legitimately from another dimension, but in his reality he's already been publicly found out as a charlatan. So when the oppertunity to jump to the main MCU reality presented itself, he took it.

Edited by Falrinn on May 6th 2019 at 10:48:01 AM

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#101850: May 6th 2019 at 7:53:43 AM

I find the introduction of the Multiverse to be the most intriguing part of this trailer. If it's not just Beck lying his ass off, it could become the vehicle for introducing the properties newly acquired from Fox.

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