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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#101626: Apr 30th 2019 at 9:12:41 AM

Doesn't that really depend on the terms of the contract he signed with each company?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#101627: Apr 30th 2019 at 9:18:17 AM

Btw, they updated the numbers and Endgame has already passed the 1,3 billion mark. As far as I can tell that doesn't include any Monday numbers (yet).

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 30th 2019 at 9:18:25 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#101628: Apr 30th 2019 at 9:46:45 AM

Doesn't that really depend on the terms of the contract he signed with each company?
It's actually because DC Comics had a thing called "creator equity participation," which paid creators royalties whenever one of the characters they created was used in an adaptation. This was a basic rule that DC had ever since, I believe, the '80s, but something that Marvel never had.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#101629: Apr 30th 2019 at 2:01:51 PM

Sight I am disgusted and disappointed. One of the people I subscribed to was slowly joining the Brie Larson hate Anti-SJW bandwagon lately; He had admitted he might be wrong recently and said he might calm down with that so I had hope... but now he just posted a video where he seriously argued that while the movie was a success, it did underperformed by 50 millions domestically, as it apparently did 5% less than predicted. Somehow he argues that it was enough to make Marvel listen to the fans and means they will give less spotlight to Larson as a result (with some comments even suggesting that was the reason she was less present in Endgame).

I am seriously considering unsubscribing to that guy now...

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#101630: Apr 30th 2019 at 2:21:37 PM

I get that is bad, but reporting on every Brie Larsen hating asshole comes across as drama importation, and it kinda gets repetitive.

Just letting you know.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#101631: Apr 30th 2019 at 2:25:00 PM

Its not really drama importation as such,but it is showing people who express that opinion that someone cares enough to talk about it

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#101632: Apr 30th 2019 at 2:25:18 PM

[up][up][up] Who is it?

Edited by Forenperser on Apr 30th 2019 at 11:25:29 AM

Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#101634: Apr 30th 2019 at 2:55:55 PM

[up]x5

I'm not aware of any serious predictions indicating it would even enter the billion dollar club until it blew away it's tracking numbers during opening weekend.

It's actually the 3rd most successful solo film in the entire MCU, and the most successful solo film in the MCU to feature a never-before-seen character, as Black Panther holds the #1 spot and Iron Man 3 holds the #2 spot in terms of solo films.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#101635: Apr 30th 2019 at 4:08:53 PM

The notion is idiotic if for no other reason than the marketing Disney did. Remember the last spots before Endgame? They heavily featured Carol, so much, they showed pretty much every scene she was involved in from the beginning of the movie. They didn't do that because they thought that the audience didn't like her. They did it, because they wanted to convince new fans Captain Marvel might have picked up that Endgame is a must see. Just like they did with Black Panther.

Plus, those channels have constantly moved the goal post what can be considered a success. The movie could have made more than any other stand-alone MCU movie and they would still claim that it underperformed. Hell, there are people out there claiming that Disney is cheating by leaving the movie in theatres for "so long".

I certainly get the frustration. The upside is that Captain Marvel is a great litmus test for any Marvel related creator out there. If they repeat the Anti-SJW talking point without any reflection, they are not worth listening to.

[up] Actually, the second domestically, only Black Panther made more. Unless you adjust for inflation, then it is behind Civil War (if you even count it as a solo movie) and Ironman 3. Same if you go for worldwide numbers, then it is number eight overall.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 30th 2019 at 4:12:31 AM

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#101636: Apr 30th 2019 at 4:17:46 PM

Exactly. Both domestically and globally, it’s one of Marvel’s top-performing solo movies, up there with Civil War and Iron Man 3 (Black Panther is in a league of its own). And it did it with one of the MCU’s smallest production budgets ($150 million; for comparison, even Ant-Man had $130 mil. Iron Man 3 and Civil War had $200 mil and $250 mil respectively).

There’s no reasonable standard by which it “underperformed”.

Edited by Galadriel on Apr 30th 2019 at 7:22:17 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#101637: Apr 30th 2019 at 4:53:19 PM

[up][up] I was going off of the worldwide numbers, which I generally regard as being more relevant in terms of overall success of a film.

Where the North America box office is most relevant is comparing opening weekends, because not every movie has a simultaneous worldwide release.

I also don't consider Civil War to be a solo film because I don't think that's how audiences generally regarded it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#101638: Apr 30th 2019 at 5:07:36 PM

Also, while Endgame certainly gave it a push - the sudden spike in numbers just before the release of Endgame was no accident - it is unlikely that the movie would have made a billion on this alone.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#101639: Apr 30th 2019 at 5:10:54 PM

So, on a brighter tone, what would you guys want to see adapted for the next Phase? Personally, I'd love a Miss Marvel movie^^

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#101640: Apr 30th 2019 at 5:11:55 PM

The Ultimates by Ewing would be really epic.

Also Avengers Academy.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#101641: Apr 30th 2019 at 5:15:53 PM

Monica Rambeau was awesome in Captain Marvel as a kid, and she’d be the right age to be a superhero now. I’m hoping she’ll get a movie.

People keep saying Cassie Lang is the right age to be a superhero now too, but she was, what, 8-10 in “Ant-Man and the Wasp”? So she’d be in her early teens now, which still seems young (Scott’s a good dad, and a ‘no superheroing until you’re legal age’ rule would be reasonable). It would be fun to see her get a movie a few years down the road, though.

Edited by Galadriel on Apr 30th 2019 at 8:19:23 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#101642: Apr 30th 2019 at 5:16:01 PM

Still a silver surfer origin movie.

Hellbore Since: Dec, 2010
#101643: Apr 30th 2019 at 5:50:18 PM

[up][up]I don't think we ever got a hard age for Cassie, but her actress in AM&TW was 11 and her actress in Endgame was 17, so I think people are just using those ages for speculation.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#101644: Apr 30th 2019 at 5:54:39 PM

So her actress is a year older than the actual character then?

Eh, still pretty good.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#101645: Apr 30th 2019 at 6:08:52 PM

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/avengers-endgame-review-nostalgia-arrested-adolescents/

Anyone read this yet? Seems like he's making it sound like everyone who enjoys the MCU are feeding into this problem. I mean he might have a point underneath all of these paragraphs I'm trying to dig through.

Just Makima.
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#101646: Apr 30th 2019 at 6:11:21 PM

[up][up] It’s hard to find good, young actors and Dawson Casting is very much a thing, so I wouldn’t put too much weight on the actress’ age. Tom Holland was about 20 during Homecoming, and Spidey’s supposed to be 15 or 16 then.

Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#101647: Apr 30th 2019 at 6:18:39 PM

[up][up] Sounds like your standard-issue Bill Maher "Old Man Yells at Cloud" fare to me.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#101648: Apr 30th 2019 at 6:19:57 PM

It does start out with "Adults no longer outgrow comic books".

So if I'm supposed to be over this shit what should I be into?

Sports? I FUCKING ABHOR SPORTS!!!!

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 30th 2019 at 6:20:23 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#101650: Apr 30th 2019 at 6:22:57 PM

[up][up]Ironic considering people had tailgate parties for Endgame lol

Edited by Mizerous on Apr 30th 2019 at 9:25:27 AM

Just Makima.

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