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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#101601: Apr 29th 2019 at 12:16:39 PM

Isn't absorbing both Carol's powers and memories a big part of Rogue's Heel–Face Turn, though?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#101602: Apr 29th 2019 at 12:20:54 PM

Xmen Evolution managed to do it without Carol's involvement.

Also, the story where Rogue absorbs Carol's powers was done before Marvel was pushing Carol as their number one female character. As I said, Rogue draining Carol and putting her in a coma is more likely to turn audiences against Rogue.

Edited by windleopard on Apr 29th 2019 at 12:22:36 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#101603: Apr 29th 2019 at 12:23:14 PM

I'd honestly prefer a Rogue in control of her power. The whole "Can't touch anybody!" angst is just so done to death. Hell, in the new 2000's Rogue was in control of her powers for quite a few years and, if anything, it made her MORE compelling.

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#101604: Apr 29th 2019 at 12:26:03 PM

You know I saw infinity war again I noticed something, when Quill found out gamora fate is tony who stark telling him to no rush on and do something stupid until they beat thanos....

I make sense, tony does know about rushing and doing stupid stuff, which it means he should holden quill but that is a old discusion, is just good to see tony to know a fuck up when he see it.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#101605: Apr 29th 2019 at 1:10:01 PM

Rouge with Carol's powers ha always been the most interesting iteration of both Rouge and Carol to me for many years, and nothing's capable of changing that for me.

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Funny but not helpful
#101607: Apr 29th 2019 at 1:12:29 PM

A bat

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#101608: Apr 29th 2019 at 1:12:32 PM

Yes,she's part of the Canny Xmun

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#101609: Apr 29th 2019 at 1:14:04 PM

The new boss of Hedare Beauty (see Catwoman)

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#101610: Apr 29th 2019 at 2:04:45 PM

I was just beginning to wonder, for the Wanda/Vision series, if they'll go the Jonas route.

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ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#101611: Apr 29th 2019 at 2:30:15 PM

Honestly I think Carol shouldn't be depowered, just fight beings such as Celestials and other cosmic-tier threats like Galactus and his heralds.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#101612: Apr 29th 2019 at 3:22:36 PM

Out in space there's probably plenty of similarly overpowered enemies they can come up for her to deal with. She doesn't need to be depowered, just too occupied by other forces to come and deal with the foes she could otherwise sweep up.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#101613: Apr 29th 2019 at 4:15:31 PM

Rouge with Carol's powers ha always been the most interesting iteration of both Rouge and Carol to me for many years, and nothing's capable of changing that for me.

Good for you, but personally I grew up with her only having her base power and I don't see the point of having her also be a Flying Brick.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#101615: Apr 29th 2019 at 5:59:48 PM

There’s absolutely nothing keeping them from having Rogue be an antagonist with Mystique (who started out as a Captain Marvel villain) in a Captain Marvel movie, run a variation on the plot where Rogue takes Carol’s power (imo, its best treated a la Superman fighting Parasite, with Rogue being more sympathetic of course), and then simply have it be cleared up by the end of the film.

Then Rogue would be introduced to do future X-Men stuff with her standard powerset if they do choose.

Like, I’m kind of baffled with the assumption that if they do it, it has to be forever. Film series don’t really work that way, especially when they can easily condense an idea into a single plot.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 29th 2019 at 6:15:02 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#101616: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:22:03 PM

It wasn't forever when Rogue did it.

Afterwards, Carol hung out with the Xmen for a bit until they were all captured by the Brood, who mistakenly supercharged her into Binary.

That's pretty much the origin of Carol's current power set. She's probably more powerful now than she was when Rogue drained her, and she's not even able to be Binary full time anymore.

Also, in regards to making Rogue slightly more sympathetic, there was the way the Fox Animated Xme did it:

Mystique basically pushed her into doing it.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#101617: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:27:25 PM

Damn,Miss Marvel had her soul stolen and practically turned into a villain trying to get a body back

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#101618: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:36:19 PM

It’s the weird paradox of Chris Claremont’s treatment of her

He was pissed at the ignominious way she was put on a bus by Avengers 200 and brought her back to yell at the Avengers

But in the process he had her attacked, depowered, had her memories stolen, and eventually had her indirectly forced out of the new home she had found with the X Men by her attacker

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#101619: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:37:56 PM

So Vulture republished an old article from 2018 a few days ago as part of the Endgame coverage (it's from a year ago so no spoilers obviously)

The Creator of Avengers: Endgame Villain Thanos Has Beef With Marvel

tl:dr; Marvel treats its creators like shit.

Edited by M84 on Apr 29th 2019 at 9:40:12 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#101620: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:49:56 PM

To be specific, Starlin is mostly angry at Marvel Comics, not Marvel Studios (he's said they treated him well but could've paid him more for the rights to his characters.)

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#101622: Apr 29th 2019 at 6:54:58 PM

[up][up]Yes, the article did mention that the studio offered him a better deal which seemed to satisfy him after he pointed out in a Facebook post that DC paid him more for the use of one of his characters in a movie than Marvel paid him for all of his characters.

Here's the Facebook post in question, btw

Just received a very big check from D.C. Entertainment for my participation in Batman V Superman, Dawn of Justice (Anatoli Knyyazev), much bigger than anything I've gotten for Thanos, Gamora and Drax showing up in any of the various Marvel movies they appeared in, combined. Guess I'll finally have to sit down and watch the movie.

Edited by M84 on Apr 29th 2019 at 9:56:32 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#101623: Apr 29th 2019 at 8:48:58 PM

tl:dr; Marvel treats its creators like shit.
Sometimes, yes. But sometimes it's just Jim Starlin being Jim Starlin; for example, now, he's said that he won't return to Marvel because they decided to publish a storyline that was similar to the one he had was writing. (It was the "Thanos Wins" storyline by Danny Cates, which a lot of readers seemed to enjoy.) And he said that nobody told him about it...probably because they didn't know he was going to do a similar storyline. And then he complained about how he requested time and again to be the writer for the main Thanos book, but they always put someone else on it. Which is because Jim Starlin, for all his great stories, has a weakness for Thanos and often writes him as a full blown Mary Sue, instead of the Villain Protagonist that he should be.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 29th 2019 at 8:49:45 AM

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Lost in Space
#101624: Apr 30th 2019 at 7:15:52 AM

It's funny, because I watched a video (I'll find the link later) in which Starlin expresses deep satisfaction for how Marvel treats his characters in their films. /shrug

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#101625: Apr 30th 2019 at 8:12:53 AM

He seems fine with the way the characters were portrayed in the movies.

He was just annoyed that he didn't get paid much for their use. Particularly since DCE paid him more for the use of one minor character he created.

Edited by M84 on Apr 30th 2019 at 11:13:14 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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