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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I agree that Carol shouldn't be depowered. She can have battles and adventures on a scale that none of the other characters can (maybe Quill if he could tap into his Celestial side, and maybe Dr. Strange), and that provides a great opportunity for filmmakers to experiment with setpieces and stories bigger in scope and scale than any other in the MCU.
As someone who writes stories involving characters with god-like powers, I would like to point out, being really powerful isn't that much of a Story-Breaker Power. Quite often in fact, in my experience, the powers that actually are story breaking are the subtle ones. A Flying Brick like Carol, all you need to give them a challenge is either create opponents that are just as strong or stronger, or create scenarios they cannot solve just by punching it or flying through it. It's really not that hard, especially in a setting like the MCU where super-powerful characters are commonplace anyway. Meanwhile, Telepathy can single-handledly skip the entire plot of a murder mystery or spy story, or, if it can be used offensively like with Professor X, would actually allow to KO a character like Goku without even the need for a fight.
To illustrate my point, I do think Superman is actually more potentially OP than Carol; not because he is stronger or faster (I am unsure of who is the strongest between the two), but because Supe has his Super-Senses that effectively allow him to detect something happening on the other side of the planet and immediately react. Carol doesn't have this edge; she still need to be contacted when people need her help, she still needs to find the bad guy, and she still need to figure out what they are planning. So really, there is much more room for plots with her without depowering her.
Edited by Theokal3 on Apr 29th 2019 at 11:46:20 AM
True. Telepathy is pretty much a story breaker. Precogs too, unless there are some serious limitation on their abilities (of the "cassandra curse variety"). Being able to manipulate reality - why the hell doesn't this person change it however it wants? And then there is "being fast" which makes ANY kind of action scene challenging unless you have a set of limitations like Yoyo has (hence her being a better character than either version of quicksilver or Flash imho...like, the only reason why other villains even have a chance against Flash is because he randomly just pauses before launching his attacks).
Being able to jump through space and shooting lasers out of your arm - not really much of a problem. In fact, it SOLVES a lot of problems because you don't have to worry how you should get a character from a to b or about someone running out of bullets. In a way Carol is just Ironman with more firepower and a wider range.
Edited by Swanpride on Apr 29th 2019 at 3:14:23 AM
They’ve done more than suggesting it. They’ve actually done it.
I didn't. The only thing which is often discussed is the need to define Superman's power better (ie how fast he can be somewhere or how much he is able to hear), not that someone should come and steal his powers.
And please don't act as if the discussions about Captain Marvel's power level don't have clear sexist undertones. I mean, the notion comes from the same people who complain about Nick Fury washing dishes and there being a cat in her movie.
Edited by Swanpride on Apr 29th 2019 at 4:15:28 AM
I wonder if the plan for Guardians 1 was to permanently kill Groot but for a marketing guy going "Hold on! Groot could sell really well in a different form" hence why he's had so little involvement,they never had any plans for him beyond his sacrifice
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverThey don't write the scripts all at once, you know. And Groot has a really important role in GotG 2, so it's hard to credit that kind of speculation.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Groot coming back as a twig from a seemingly fatal circumstance comes right from the comics
Same visual of him being a tiny twig Groot in a pot
It’s actually how he started the dna Gotg comic because he had either been set on fire to knock down a building or had been blown up by Warlock!Ultron, I don’t recall, in the event that led to the guardians getting a book
Forever liveblogging the AvengersPeople talk about depowering Superman all the time. In the 70's, there was a weird storyline involving some sort of sand monster that was supposed to leave him only a fraction of his powers. Then when the DC Universe got rebooted in the 80's, Superman was quite explicitly rebooted to be far less powerful than he had been before. Comics since then tend to be wildly inconsistent about just how powerful he is.
As for Carol in the MCU, I agree that she doesn't need to be depowered to make the stories more interesting; just introduce ultra-powerful villains to go up against her. However, there is one very solid argument for depowering her: to create a comics-accurate version of Rogue.
You do realize Rogue has long lost her Ms Marvel powers in the comic and this has only been a small era of the X-Men, right? Personally I mostly got into the franchise with X-Men Evolution, so I wasn't even aware Rogue had flight and super-strength at some point until much later. Just saying, the "comic-accurate" phrase here kinda seems subjective to me.
Edited by Theokal3 on Apr 29th 2019 at 7:43:44 PM
Plus, there aren't even X-MEN in the MCU yet, never mind Rogue.
Okay, let's assume that they do introduce the X-men (I still would prefer them in an alternate universe but whatever), and down the line when Captain Marvel had at least her trilogy and it feels like it is time to wrap up her story and they do it by creating a situation in which Rogue sucks away her power, which leads to Carol retiring from being a Superhero - fine. There are worst ways to retire a hero. But we aren't there yet. We need some time to experience her enjoying her powers so when she leaves the stage eventually, it feels earned.
I was reasonably happy with the original three X-Men films. I didn't really get into any of the others, but I also don't quite get why they keep feeling the need to reboot them. I guess the MCU has spoiled me by giving me franchises with serious and persistent continuity.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"re Xmen reboots
Well if it first you don't succeed,try and try again.Naturally this approach has made people less receptive to the xmen as a whole,I figure if they ever do introduce Xmen to the MCU there will be a slow approach at first,nothing major at first,they just need to win people over and convince them it's not going to be like Fox's xmen
have a listen and have a link to my discord server

And I don't think that they should if for no other reason than her power level allowing her such a huge action radius.