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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#101351: Apr 26th 2019 at 2:27:31 PM

I saw a lot of hand-wringing about Endgame's run-time, but weren't all three Lord of the Rings movies and all three Hobbit movies three hours long? That didn't seem to cause any problems outside people complaining about inflated run-times in the case of The Hobbit. Was it just that people couldn't conceive of a superhero movie having a reason to be that long?

eta: weird page-topper, but okay.

Edited by MedusaStone on Apr 26th 2019 at 2:28:09 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#101352: Apr 26th 2019 at 2:30:12 PM

[up] Honestly, I think that was mostly a combination of people paying more attention to those details now (at least when they are related to important Marvel movies) and the desire of the fans to have the movie break all the records. Longer run-time means that the movie is shown at less screens at the same time.

Btw, so much for "Endgame will cut Captain Marvel's run short"...in reality Captain Marvel has jumped up in the ranking and I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel gets place one AND place two at the box office this weekend.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 26th 2019 at 2:33:25 AM

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#101353: Apr 26th 2019 at 2:41:54 PM

The runtime of the Lord of the Rings movies was commented on, and considered very long, when they were released. The fans loved them enough that it didn’t matter, and that also appears to be the case with Endgame.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#101354: Apr 26th 2019 at 2:50:34 PM

I took a look at "An Unbridled Meh", and his criticisms are legitimate (to summarize, Captain Marvel's a plank of wood in terms of characterization, the villain is confusing, the plot makes no sense, the cat taking Nick Fury's eye made other non-comedic scenes revolving around Nick Fury's eye look comical in comparison, and the marketing was bad). The only bad thing was the Brie Larson fart face in the thumbnail, and apparently that's just what he does for his videos.

The legend has returned.
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#101355: Apr 26th 2019 at 2:56:32 PM

... please provide evidence for her being a plank of wood, because I sincerely cannot imagine how anyone would come away from the movie thinking that.

Edited by wisewillow on Apr 26th 2019 at 2:56:50 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#101356: Apr 26th 2019 at 3:02:53 PM

What I mean is that her personality doesn't change throughout, unlike every other main character in the MCU.

The legend has returned.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#101357: Apr 26th 2019 at 3:09:49 PM

Captain America's personality doesn't change. That's his thing, staying his same ol' self no matter what changes his body or the society around him go through.

Carol goes through the change of Kree soldier who never questions orders to, well, Captain Marvel who draws her powers out from within herself. That's a pretty significant change.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Apr 26th 2019 at 6:10:51 AM

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#101358: Apr 26th 2019 at 3:31:49 PM

Endgame is doing good now but the mouse is coming out in 2 weeks so that might cut its legs

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#101359: Apr 26th 2019 at 3:33:05 PM

the mouse?

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#101361: Apr 26th 2019 at 3:47:42 PM

@Medusa Stone:

You do have to keep in mind with Lot R, they're a very special case and even then I'd argue the length of them is something of a downside.

Leviticus 19:34
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#101362: Apr 26th 2019 at 3:53:54 PM

> Endgame is doing good now but the mouse is coming out in 2 weeks so that might cut its legs

i don't see that happening honestly,their live action pokemon wont sell anywhere close to what End is doing I feel

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#101363: Apr 26th 2019 at 3:56:37 PM

DP outselling Endgame is, frankly, incredibly unlikely. Even if it does very well, Endgame is basically in a perfect position and probably won't be beaten for a while.

Leviticus 19:34
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#101364: Apr 26th 2019 at 4:18:15 PM

I'm actually more excited for Detective Pikachu than I am Endgame, but that's probably just me.

DevilMayhem666 Since: Aug, 2011
#101365: Apr 26th 2019 at 4:27:25 PM

Wrong thread.

Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Apr 26th 2019 at 7:29:35 AM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#101366: Apr 26th 2019 at 4:32:58 PM

People are still trying to argue Carol didn't change and was flat in her movie?! I don't get that. To me she really had a clear personality and most definitely changes. To suggest otherwise just feels like bad faith to me.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#101367: Apr 26th 2019 at 4:40:35 PM

I still don't understand how the very arc of regaining her memories and figuring out who she is doesn't, in itself, count as a character arc. That's self-discovery at the most basic level.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
DevilMayhem666 Since: Aug, 2011
#101368: Apr 26th 2019 at 4:45:56 PM

[up][up]

Depends on which of the various definitions of “flat” they are using.

Edited by DevilMayhem666 on Apr 26th 2019 at 7:47:26 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#101369: Apr 26th 2019 at 4:53:49 PM

I have a feeling that CM is gonna hold up better in the long run than Infinity War or Endgame. Obviously I'm jumping the gun a bit here since I haven't seen the latter plus I can't speak for anyone else, but considering CM doesn't have to juggle as many characters and has female writers and a female director at the helm, I think I have a feeling of which one I'll be having more respect for a year or two down the line. Contentious take, I know, but I said what I said.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#101370: Apr 26th 2019 at 5:03:02 PM

Also: how was the villain in Captain Marvel confusing? If they are referring to Talos, he had a clear motivation; if they are referring to Yon-Rogg, he also has a clear motivation. Nothing about them is confusing.

Also, the plot made perfect sense.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 26th 2019 at 5:03:22 AM

ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#101371: Apr 26th 2019 at 5:44:20 PM

Detective Pikachu was pretty big on the Internet, considering it got over 100M views for the first trailer in the first 24 hours on the day where there was also a Toy Story 4 Teaser and Stan Lee's death.

That said however, I do think it'll make a large profit, China seems all over it.

And well, we all saw how absurd Pokemon GO was. It will cut into its legs but Endgame has so much hype around it that it wouldn't matter.

I wouldn't be surprised if this gets close or beats Avatar's gross WW, the movie is doing crazy well and Europe and Japan seem to be on board with it.

Edited by ReynTime250 on Apr 26th 2019 at 1:44:52 PM

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#101372: Apr 26th 2019 at 8:01:52 PM

It will probably take until the new Godzilla movie for a movie to cut into Endgames legs.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#101373: Apr 26th 2019 at 8:40:31 PM

Just saw it, loved it, will wait to discuss until we can talk about spoilers. At least now I can read this thread again.

Did anything interesting happen in here in the last 2 weeks?

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 26th 2019 at 11:40:55 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#101374: Apr 26th 2019 at 8:47:31 PM

Due to getting into doing non-sequitur's I once did a thing that led us to state things we liked for an entire page.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#101375: Apr 26th 2019 at 9:20:46 PM

Without going into spoilers, i did notice one flaw Carol displayed in Endgame that could be brought up in a future film. It's elaborated more in the spoiler thread but i could be overthinking.

And if that indeed comes up in CM 2, you heard it here first tongue

Uni cat

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