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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
For instance: everyone in the building died when it collapsed. Fury said it. But we don't see them die, therefore they die off-screen.
Edited by alliterator on Apr 22nd 2019 at 7:46:21 AM
The first scene where Ultron blasts Rhodey straight in the chest and he suffers no injury aside from knockback. It is not a good idea to establish from the start that your supervillain has no lethal weapons.
Saying he spared Cho there makes him scary doesn't hold up when later on Ultron does shoot her at point-blank and she still doesn't die.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 22nd 2019 at 7:45:30 AM
Cap not getting taken down is perfect as a video I saw nicely described how Winter Soldier made Steves feats more superhuman without overpowering. Much like him holding back one Thanos hand. Before Thanos gets bored and just hits him with the other.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.Ultron was disappointingly nonthreatening to me, but I will defend to the death the decision to make him an emotional child convinced he's a flawless AI, rather than just another boring "beep boop, exterminate" killer robot.
As was mentioned, that scene where he loses his temper and casually mutilates Klaue, then backpedals like it's not a big deal is really effective.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Hey, you know who Ultron did kill? Quicksilver. Which is one more Avenger than Loki killed (sorry, Coulson).
Edited by alliterator on Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:03:50 AM
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Heck, even in the comics he was hardly a generic killer robot. He had all sorts of issues, particularly Daddy Issues. Comes with being a robot whose programming is based on Hank Pym's brain patterns — comics Hank Pym is not a stable man. Comics Ultron's desire to Kill All Humans? That's all Hank — he's got a lot of repressed misanthropy.
Edited by M84 on Apr 22nd 2019 at 11:05:21 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThanos goes back in time to steer Steve wrong.
I didn't say they should've killed Rhodey.note Ultron could've killed someone else, Hill or a random party guest, or at least wounded one of them enough that their life was in emergency. Something to show he can draw blood.
Which doesn't matter because it's so far to the end of the film that Ultron has already lost and didn't have any scariness to him for the past 2 hours. Having him finally kill someone (by accident, he wasn't even aiming for Pietro) doesn't retroactively apply cred to all his prior scenes.
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So Thanos is to blame for Ultimate Captain America? That monster!
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:16:30 AM
Also, I don't want Hill to die either. In fact, there was nobody right then in that room that I wanted to die. The only possible Red Shirt that was there was Dr. Cho and I wouldn't have wanted to see her die either. Just because there are Red Shirts doesn't mean you have to kill them to prove a villain is dangerous.
Edited by alliterator on Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:21:20 AM
Correct. Final answer.
A supervillain can have all the motive but if they can't make me worry about the hero's life it amounts to little. Plenty of motiveless antagonists like the Terminator or the Winter Soldier are tremendously terrifying.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:28:16 AM
Ultron does destroy an entire city
That’s an accomplishment
Edited by Bocaj on Apr 22nd 2019 at 11:34:31 AM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAgain: scariness is not dependent on "How many and who they kill."
Edited by alliterator on Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:37:34 AM
(The fun in action movies isn't seeing who is going to live or die, it's watching the intricate and elaborate action sequences; the fun in horror movies isn't knowing who is going to die — probably everyone except for the last girl — it's in seeing the unfolding horror and increasing tension and terror. The fun in comedic movies is...well, that one is more self explanatory.)
Edited by alliterator on Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:42:23 AM
I feel like we’re careening towards the point of agree to disagree
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI feel like we passed that point long ago, with one of the earlier iterations of this same conversation. Let's drop it before it gets heated and someone says something they'll regret.
Let's talk about either Endgame or Far From Home, there's no shortage of topics to theorize about with either. Or maybe Eternals, Dr. Strange 2, Black Widow, or Guardians of the Galaxy 3.

The place collapses not much longer afterwards as well. So they left them there and they're dead and crushed into mush.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.