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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Geez, the fact that Endgame is coming in a few days has going through some mental final boss bingewatch...
I can't stop thinking the Thanos fight(s?) will be some hybrid of Goku vs. Beerus and Asura vs. Chakravatin, if they were bigger than 1 on 1.
Actually, Ant-Man and the Wasp got me thinking what if the Avengers take their Thanos fight into the Quantum Realm?
(I need to see Endgame right now...)
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 22nd 2019 at 6:14:03 AM
I gotta be honest, I really didn't think much of his appearance in the first Avengers. I had a hard time caring about him because Jeremy Renner has such little charisma, combined with the fact that he mostly seemed to exist for Natasha's sake than because he was a good character. It doesn't help that he spends a good amount of the film brainwashed too.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Apr 22nd 2019 at 6:14:29 AM
I’m of similar mind to Handsome Rob about Hawkeye’s speech
Edited by Bocaj on Apr 22nd 2019 at 6:37:19 AM
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Thanks Bocaj.
But if you’re going to accuse me of being blinded by hatred of Whedon to the point where I’m inventing reasons to dislike him, I’m going to straight out say you’re barking up the wrong tree. Believe it or not, people can have criticisms of things you enjoy without ulterior motives.
I dislike the writing and directing of Ultron because I feel it has problems, that’s the beginning and ending of it. I can assure you I’m not somehow trying to exercise a grudge.
Fair enough. I'm still getting familiar with people's issues towards Joss, so it just seems like after he did some stuff people didn't like, they started combing through his past efforts to tear that down as well (which feels like a thing with any writer / director / whatever who becomes a Fallen Creator: suddenly, even the stuff that was seen as good becomes awful because they did it).
That's not to say there's not some legitimate problems; just that it seems to me that suddenly everything they've done must be turned to shit. Kinda like how after Mighty No. 9 bombed, people suddenly started combing through Kenji Inafune's history and finding out that he wasn't the most awesome dude in existence, and using it to heap further shit on him.
Again, that doesn't mean there aren't good reasons, but I suppose for me (someone who's made it clear he still likes AOU) it might be harder to see the problems others have.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Apr 22nd 2019 at 4:48:55 AM
One Strip! One Strip!I mean, yeah, the third act is fun and all, I guess, but the movie is such a drag to watch.
I kind of agree, honestly. Back when it came out I actively disliked it because the film hinges very specifically on the idea that these characters all coming together is a big enough draw by itself. The problem was I didn't think most of the phase 1 films were very good barring Iron Man 1 at the time, so I didn't think Marvel had given me a reason to care about a crossover between them. I watched it and was just really bored the whole time, none of the character dynamics did anything for me and the "awesomeness" of it just fell completely flat.
With some retrospect and a somewhat more positive opinion on most of the phase 1 movies (especially thor), I can appreciate it a bit more, especially for its third act, but it's a not a special or meaningful film to me by any means. It's a better constructed movie than Ultron for sure but that isn't saying a lot.
I still prefer Ultron if only because there's actual stuff going on.
Way too much stuff, granted, but the first movie doesn't seem to have anything beyond being a crossover, with the entire movie being all the characters dicking about until the climax happens.
The fact that Loki was reduced to a complete joke of a villain doesn't really help.
You can't thwart stage one means that Loki still managed to masterfully play all of the Avengers and spymaster Nick Fury and got away to open the space portal and summon an alien invasion.
I wouldn't call that a complete joke.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI wouldn’t say Avengers 1’s story is just “spinning wheels until the climax”. While the “investigate Macguffin” plot is simple, there’s a lot of tension in the characters’ interactions centered around “can these heroes reconcile their egos and become a mighty team”. Then the third act action is based around them proving to each other that they can.
Age of Ultron has much more plot objectives but very little of it matters thematically. The driving question of “can the heroes overcome their personal demons to be what the world needs” is never confirmed, just abruptly put aside.
There's a great moment in Avengers: No Road Home, where the Hulk, Hawkeye, and Rocket are facing off against Nyx, the Goddess of Night. Hulk tells Hawkeye that, well, Clint is clearly outmatched here, so he can just take a breather and let the Hulk fight a freaking Goddess, especially since Clint doesn't have his bow and arrows anymore. In response, Clint breaks off a tree branch, tells Rocket to build him a new bow and arrow because he isn't going anywhere. That's who Hawkeye is: someone who will face down literal Gods with a bow and arrow.
Also, I wonder why people think making Ultron funny made him less scary? Because he was scary to me, especially as he grew more and more unhinged.
Ultron just has way too many bad character beats, plot decisions, and things that just don't WORK. I feel like it was trying to be a more "substantial" film than the first, but it didn't do a very good job of it. I didn't hate it when I first saw it...until the creation of Vision, and then the whole film just falls apart as whatever arc Tony might have had just gets destroyed when he gets rewarded for doing the same stupid shit that started this whole mess. Awful character writing.
It's kind of a shame honestly, because his introduction is actually pretty chilling and effective. The rest of the film just fails to live up to it.
That is a comics thing, not a movie thing.
Edited by Bocaj on Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:02:11 AM
Forever liveblogging the Avengers

My having a criticism you don’t doesn’t mean I’m “searching,” it simply means I have a criticism you don’t. If you disagree, it suffices to simply say so.
But if you’re going to accuse me of being blinded by hatred of Whedon to the point where I’m inventing reasons to dislike him, I’m going to straight out say you’re barking up the wrong tree. Believe it or not, people can have criticisms of things you enjoy without ulterior motives.
I dislike the writing and directing of Ultron because I feel it has problems, that’s the beginning and ending of it. I can assure you I’m not somehow trying to exercise a grudge.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 22nd 2019 at 3:14:41 AM