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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#101001: Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:32:03 PM

wild mass guess Far From Home ends with Uatu showing up and revealing that the entire movie took place on Earth-1610.

If you had to pick one scene for the new heroes...which one would you pick? My pick is:

For lack of defining "new" heroes I'd pick:

  • Steve: Jumping on the grenade in First Avenger.
  • Stank: Literally any of his suit-up sequences.
  • Gamora: Never watched GOTG.
  • Thor: The "Double Jumping Front Kick" from the first film
  • Clint: getting punked by Quicksilver

I'd need to see the rest of this collaboration to decide on any of the others.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#101002: Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:36:18 PM

For Hawkeye I would definitely pick him pulling the Offhand Backhand on one of the Chitauri ships in Avengers.

He had a lot of great moments in that film, before Whedon decided he should be a joke in Ultron.

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#101003: Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:36:51 PM

???

He had a lot of great moments in Age of Ultron.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#101004: Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:38:48 PM

And he didn't run out of arrows in that one.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#101005: Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:48:18 PM

??? The essential Hawkeye scene is basically the peep talk he gives Wanda.

Oh, for Wanda naturally her having to kill Vision.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#101006: Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:54:14 PM

He had a lot of great moments in that film, before Whedon decided he should be a joke in Ultron.
If by "joke" you mean "a better fleshed out character, the only Avenger who isn't hypnotized by Wanda, also gets the better of Quicksilver, and is generally the most stable Avenger there is, while also getting some awesome moments."

Edited by alliterator on Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:54:22 AM

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#101007: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:07:25 PM

Ultron introduces Hawkeye's family, and the fact he even has one is the best part of that character. It retroactively makes him the Team Dad of the Avengers.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#101008: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:08:20 PM

Didn’t Whedon just make Ultron a joke?

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#101009: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:11:57 PM

Meh. I’d take deaf pizza dog Matt Fraction Hawkeye any day over random farm family Hawkeye.

Edited by wisewillow on Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:12:07 AM

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#101010: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:12:05 PM

We've been over this yes

I'm hoping one day Ultron returns and isn't so loony,kind of makes me wish DC had gone with Brainac as a villain

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#101011: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:16:07 PM

Human garbage fire Clint Barton doesn’t work so well in an ensemble versus a solo plus Kate character study and coming on the heels of his mind control by Loki when Dark World already played mental illness resulting from mind control trauma as a joke would not be the best take

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#101013: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:18:25 PM

Yeah, I like MCU "Most Responsible Avenger" Hawkeye. Given what I've heard of comics Hawkeye, the two meeting in a crossover might be funny.

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#101014: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:19:20 PM

And they’d both hate or pity his Ultimate iteration

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#101015: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:31:24 PM

I've liked Hawkeye ever since they fixed his costume in Ultron.

And gave him actual stuff to do.

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#101016: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:32:25 PM

At least he's not dressed as Robinhood

-glances at Green Arrow-

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#101017: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:40:53 PM

But speaking of lines, as someone who loves getting his heart ripped to little pieces, why don't we share the ones we find the saddest?

And no "I don't feel so good", if only because it's too obvious.

So, my picks:

Bucky: "But I remember him..."

Tony: "When I drift off, I'll dream about you. It's alway you..."

Also Tony: "I don't care. He killed my mom".

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#101019: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:44:14 PM

I’ll admit I’m a little surprised at the glowing defense of Whedon’s “I have a bow and arrow lol I shouldn’t actually be here” approach to Hawkeye in Ultron, especially given the usual response to his other in-jokey habits in that movie, but okay. To each their own.

I still think he was far better utilized in Avengers 1 and Civil War, though. Neither movie felt they needed to be self deprecating in order to justify his presence, he was just there because he’s a major character and he deserved to be there. Plus both could think of better things to do with his screen time than try to game the audience with pointless tongue in cheek death flags.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:50:16 AM

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#101020: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:47:43 PM

[up]Man, I always loved that line. I find it a good encapsulation of the silly, over-the-top nature of the 'Verse.

Not to mention it shows that Clint will always keep on fighting the good fight even if he knows he makes little difference to the team's firepower.

[up][up]Oof, forgot about that one sad.

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#101021: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:49:08 PM

No one thought to tell Hawkguy

"You know we invented guns right?"

(these jokes just write themselves)

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#101022: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:53:55 PM

Not to mention it shows that Clint will always keep on fighting the good fight even if he knows he makes little difference to the team's firepower.

The second part there sums up my problem there. They shouldn’t be canonizing that.

If Whedon as a writer/director legitimately thought the character is too weak to make a difference, why include him at all? And if he doesn’t, why even put that line in? To cater to fan jokes? He did this in the first movie with the “he’s adopted” line. Lol, I guess, but why?

For comparison, it’d be like if a Justice League movie centered Aquaman’s presence around the joke that he was useless, simply because it was a popular joke, even though it doesn’t make a lot of sense either character or plot wise. It’s only a thing if you make it a thing, and Whedon chose not only to do so, but to illustrate it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:58:53 AM

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#101023: Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:57:12 PM

> why include him at all?

Likely due to his action figures being profitable

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#101024: Apr 22nd 2019 at 3:06:11 PM

I took it more as him acknowledging, that yes everything about the situation is crazy, including his choice of weapon, but he's gonna go out, fight and save people lives anyway. Not only that, Wanda can do more than he can.

More of a Dare to Be Badass speech than him saying man, I suck.

I get it: Fuck Whedon and all (though I still like AOU), but it seems like now people are actively searching for bad things about him at every turn.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#101025: Apr 22nd 2019 at 3:08:25 PM

I get that Whedon still writes like it's the 90's and all, but no reason to just treat everything he does as garbage just because he wrote it.


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