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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#100676: Apr 16th 2019 at 12:45:28 PM

I continue to choose to believe that Scott and Hope hooked up just to piss off Hank.

And then Hank contrarily started supporting it so they gave up

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#100677: Apr 16th 2019 at 1:26:09 PM

@Avatar

Sorry to bring it back to Avatar, but there's one point that went uncountered, and it's that the Avatar State itself has a huge asterisk next to it. When Aang uses the Avatar State, he's drawing power from all of the previous Avatars in addition to his own, roughly half of whom were women.

Aside from the Avatar State, Aang is weaker than the specialists of Team Avatar in every individual field except for Airbending (Katara's better at Water, Toph's better at Earth, Zuko's better at Fire, and Sokka is better at hand-to-hand combat).

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 16th 2019 at 1:26:29 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#100678: Apr 16th 2019 at 1:41:38 PM

And of the known Avatars during ATLA, half were women and far more successful than their male successors, both of which were huge screw ups.

[up]If you'll forgive a man nitpicking a bit: Sokka is the better tactician; Suki is the hand-to-hand combatant of the team.

Hell, Sokka isn't even the best swordsman, Zuko is better than him by a fair margin, he's pretty much the Krillin of the team, that's why we love him.

Edited by HailMuffins on Apr 16th 2019 at 5:45:03 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#100679: Apr 16th 2019 at 1:49:10 PM

Sokka was the meat and sarcasm guy.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#100680: Apr 16th 2019 at 1:52:42 PM

he also had a boomrang

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#100681: Apr 16th 2019 at 2:14:40 PM

And when he was on the ball, he was very on the ball.

I should point out that Katara only went with Zuko to fight Azula because he didn't think he could take her in a straight fight and needed the support. He only changed his mind when he saw how messed up he was...and still botched it by telling Azula he'd deflect her lightning when was winning, which is why she fired at Katara.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#100682: Apr 16th 2019 at 2:16:41 PM

And then Katara proceeded to beat Azula herself using some amazing waterbending.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#100683: Apr 16th 2019 at 2:21:03 PM

Yeah.

....so about Marvel....

....Give me a New Warriors movie. Heroes for the 2020's.tongue

Yeah, I know there's already a New Warriors TV show (which I think is still being shopped around) but I think Marvels Teen Titans for the 90's deserves more....for some reason.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#100684: Apr 16th 2019 at 2:21:59 PM

I'd prefer a Young Avengers movie. The New Warriors are still seen as somewhat of a joke (which is why the show combined them with the Great Lakes Avengers).

Edited by alliterator on Apr 16th 2019 at 2:22:56 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#100685: Apr 16th 2019 at 2:23:27 PM

Marvel has so many young hero teams that they've let go by the wayside.

Young Avengers, New Warriors, half of the discontinued X-books.

Now they have Champions.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#100686: Apr 16th 2019 at 2:46:33 PM

How about they introduce the young heroes first, then make a team-up movie?

Kamala Khan. Capt Marvrl is already out of the way, it's time to let the Pakistan-America, morphogenic nerd shine.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#100687: Apr 16th 2019 at 2:52:43 PM

I mean, we already have groundwork for half a team: Cassie is on her way, Amadeus’ mother has shown up, they could always do Kid Loki at any time really, etc.

I’ve felt they should composite Young Avengers with Avengers Academy, and if they do that the concept would probably work best if a bunch of the important characters were introduced in the film itself in the anyway.

And New Warriors would definitely work best as an ensemble movie from the get go, like Guardians.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 16th 2019 at 2:53:39 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#100688: Apr 16th 2019 at 2:55:34 PM

Marvel has so many young hero teams that they've let go by the wayside.

Young Avengers, New Warriors, half of the discontinued X-books.

Now they have Champions.

It is true that Marvel has had a glut of young hero teams. DC managed to keep it simple with the Titans and Young Justice.

[up]X4 I suppose doing a Reality TV show and then blowing up a town will do that to you.

[up]It might be in their best interests to streamline things in regards to the number of hero teams they've had, yeah.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#100689: Apr 16th 2019 at 2:56:06 PM

Young Avengers sounds like a Tv show Marvel would do before Disney killed them all

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#100690: Apr 16th 2019 at 5:59:07 PM

Combine different groups of young heroes into one, it seems like a good idea.

I imagine that the initial group is 5 or 6. And it will grow as the series progresses.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Apr 16th 2019 at 6:02:08 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#100691: Apr 16th 2019 at 6:04:05 PM

New Young Champion Warriors Academy for Avengers

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#100692: Apr 16th 2019 at 6:09:31 PM

Something I would like to see, is that Kid Loki has the same cover letter as in the comic.

"One mischievous and lovable godling who is not at all evil and definitely not manipulating everyone."

Speaking of Kid Loki, if they decided to adapt the arc in which he is possessed by his original self, I think it would not have much acceptance, because surely many viewers would consider it a boring example of Hijacked by Ganon.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Apr 16th 2019 at 6:13:56 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#100693: Apr 16th 2019 at 6:20:28 PM

The way I see it, Young Avengers would have the basic premise of the government trying to cultivate super teams they can control (with the same plot point setting up the Thunderbolts also), and so set out to train young gifted individuals.

The focus character would be Cassie since we already know her, as she goes out to train to be a superhero like her father. At the training facility she meets Amadeus Cho, Mettle, Finesse (especially if Taskmaster is in the Widow movie) and (insert fifth member).

The final member would be Kid Loki (if they set that up) who would appear to be a villain only to turn out to be their side.

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#100694: Apr 16th 2019 at 6:22:55 PM

Another member may be Kate Bishop, being rumored to be Clint Barton's apprentice.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#100695: Apr 16th 2019 at 6:55:13 PM

(which is why the show combined them with the Great Lakes Avengers).

Gotta admit, I wouldn't mind a Great Lakes Avengers movie.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#100696: Apr 16th 2019 at 6:58:32 PM

Technically, Iron Man and Captain Marvel in the MCU are the first two West Coast Avengers. tongue

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#100697: Apr 16th 2019 at 7:47:13 PM

To note, I’d want Kamala to join later, after either an appearance in a Captain Marvel movie or a solo appearance. But that said, if for some reason Cassie isn’t the focus character, Kamala should be.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#100698: Apr 16th 2019 at 8:46:33 PM

I desperately need a Kamala movie. With the Inventor as the main villain. I just want to see Evil Birb Edison on screen, gosh darn it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#100699: Apr 16th 2019 at 9:23:07 PM

Man I'd kill to have Mettle on the big-screen.

Might actually get Marvel to revive him one of these days.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100700: Apr 16th 2019 at 10:38:32 PM

I said it before, it doesn't matter what name the MCU slaps on it (though I guess "Young Avengers" would be the smarter one due to having "avengers" in the title), any combination of young heroes could do. They can pick an chose.

And yes, they already have Cassie and I guess if they wanted to Harley seeded. Even if he isn't officially a hero, he could be one. Monica should be too old by now, but it looks like they are working on a replacement for Hawkeye. And yeah, I guess they could the presence of Helen to throw Amadeus Cho into the mix (isn't she his aunt, not his mother?).

Otherwise they can just come up with whatever fits the story. Hell, for all I know they deliberately used Captain Marvel to leave one Skrull on earth and now there is some half-Skrull running around with special abilities


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