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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#100502: Apr 14th 2019 at 1:23:26 PM

I seriously never got the fuss people were making about Peter's death. From the very beginning. it was like Bv S-Clark death levels of obvious it was never going to stick.

Loki, Gamora, Vision? Sure, there is some level of uncertainty. But Peter? Never.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#100503: Apr 14th 2019 at 1:45:12 PM

[up]Especially since, you know, his next movie had already been announced at the time.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#100504: Apr 14th 2019 at 1:46:54 PM

It was a well-acted scene that sold the idea of a kid being afraid to die very well.

Edited by LordVatek on Apr 14th 2019 at 4:47:17 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100505: Apr 14th 2019 at 2:01:05 PM

Plus, WE know that it wouldn't be permanent, but Tony doesn't. And considering the relationship they built up between those two characters…

Also, Peter is so young. The idea of him dying terrified on a foreign planet...It's not quite the same as dying in battle during some heroic act.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#100506: Apr 14th 2019 at 2:02:08 PM

> ..It's not quite the same as dying in battle during some heroic act.

Its both really,he was fighting Thanos and on an alien planet

Edited by Ultimatum on Apr 14th 2019 at 9:02:14 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100507: Apr 14th 2019 at 2:27:10 PM

Yes, but he didn't die in battle. He survived battling Thanos just to get randomly snapped away by him. And that after Tony did everything in his power to protect him.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#100508: Apr 14th 2019 at 2:33:49 PM

Man, Tony was like the definition of dangerously unhealthy survivor’s guilt already- so is Peter, tbh, but the MCU glosses over that - losing Peter when he survived is liable to make him outright unstable.

SapphireBlue Since: Jan, 2001
#100509: Apr 14th 2019 at 2:54:05 PM

[up]x4 That second part especially. The acting helped.

Just because you know it's not gonna stick doesn't mean it doesn't still hurt to watch, especially if you have to wait a while to see how the character in question makes it back. And yeah, in-universe no one has that kind of certainty, so seeing how it affects other characters makes it worse.

Edited by SapphireBlue on Apr 14th 2019 at 2:56:30 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100510: Apr 14th 2019 at 3:02:58 PM

In universe is the only thing which counts imho. A death works not because it sticks, but because you feel for the characters experiencing it.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#100511: Apr 14th 2019 at 3:21:50 PM

MCU Nick Fury might be the decentest Fury

It helps that he hasn’t had the time to be the bastards the 616 and Ultimate Nicks were

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#100512: Apr 14th 2019 at 3:28:59 PM

give it time is all i'm saying

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#100513: Apr 14th 2019 at 3:43:46 PM

Samuel L. Jackson will outlive us all, so the MCU has plenty of time to probe that rabbit hole.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#100514: Apr 14th 2019 at 4:30:15 PM

Just because you know it's not gonna stick doesn't mean it doesn't still hurt to watch, especially if you have to wait a while to see how the character in question makes it back. And yeah, in-universe no one has that kind of certainty, so seeing how it affects other characters makes it worse.

That's as good as any explanation for what the writers are going for. But at the same time, this "back from the dead" trope is kinda overused, even in comics. And ever since Coulson was brought back to life for Agents of SHIELD, death has kinda been a joke in the MCU. Almost no one important ever permanently dies.

Edited by dmcreif on Apr 14th 2019 at 6:30:32 AM

Okey Dokey!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100515: Apr 14th 2019 at 4:48:35 PM

Yeah...absolutely no one important...except for Peggy, Howard, Yondu, Coulson (since he just died AGAIN), Ward, Lincoln, Odin, Talbot and Groot that's it...and that is NOT counting the deaths from Infinity war, and of a few other characters which I guess could be considered "minor", but which still upset me very much….

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#100516: Apr 14th 2019 at 5:07:51 PM

Yondu's death and funeral still gets to me, man.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#100517: Apr 14th 2019 at 5:10:43 PM

One of the most touching moments of touching moments in general.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#100518: Apr 14th 2019 at 5:26:52 PM

You could also argue that Jarvis is permanently dead.

This song needs more love.
SapphireBlue Since: Jan, 2001
#100519: Apr 14th 2019 at 5:33:19 PM

[up]x5 I get what you’re saying. I know that it doesn’t make sense from a logical perspective to be too upset - and in this case, it wasn’t too much of a lasting thing for me. I’m not as emotionally invested in the MCU as I am with a lot of other series - I’m a relatively casual fan in this case note . But I am the kind of person who tends to gets emotionally invested in fiction, and there’ve been other similar cases - including one within the last few months - where I was very attached to the character in question. Some of those cases were heartbreaking, and questioning whether or not it should have been did nothing to change that. Feelings usually aren’t entirely logical. With stuff like this, knowing they’ll be back makes it less painful than it would be otherwise, but it doesn’t mean it won’t still hurt. That’s how it is for me, anyway.

I’m not angry at you, and I’m not trying to argue that you should feel worse than you do or anything - this stuff’s really subjective. I’m just trying to explain my thought process.

Edited by SapphireBlue on Apr 14th 2019 at 5:37:26 AM

Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#100520: Apr 14th 2019 at 5:54:11 PM

What happened with Phil Coulson again?

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Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#100521: Apr 14th 2019 at 5:55:51 PM

[up] He "died", then came back in the TV show with a "faked my death" reveal, then died for real, then came back again, but he might have been possessed or something?

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Apr 14th 2019 at 5:56:38 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#100522: Apr 14th 2019 at 5:59:45 PM

He was stabbed by Loki in The Avengers, but brought back to life by Project TAHITI right after and led his own team in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.. Due to a series of events that would take a heck of a long time to explainnote , Coulson died after Season 5 ended and will not be coming back.

The character played by Clark Gregg in Season 6 is ostensibly a new more villainous character whose name has been revealed to be Sarge.

He "died", then came back in the TV show with a "faked my death" reveal
His death was never faked — he literally died and then came back. Fury at first told him that he only died for a few minutes, but it was later revealed that he had been dead for days and only came back due to an infusion of Kree blood through Project TAHITI.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 14th 2019 at 6:02:16 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#100523: Apr 14th 2019 at 6:04:00 PM

They CW'd Coulson? (In the sense that they killed off or otherwise removed his character from the show, but kept him around to play someone else instead). That's kind of surprising.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#100524: Apr 14th 2019 at 6:04:15 PM

Tony Stark managed to... that doctor guy managed to rebuild Tony's heart into some kind of pacemaker in a cave - with a box of scraps - which kept Stark alive for a good long while.

Meanwhile, Coulson with all of the spies and superhero contacts in the world, can't get a fix for a similar wound/spear through the heart. Heck, Wakanda opened it's borders, smear some Vibranium on it and I'm sure it will heal right up. Contact Stephen Strange and have him magic the wound closed.

I love the shared universe but it is so full of answers to every other character's problems that can't be used for external reasons.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#100525: Apr 14th 2019 at 6:06:59 PM

They CW'd Coulson? (In the sense that they killed off or otherwise removed his character from the show, but kept him around to play someone else instead).

They also did this previously in the show with Grant Ward/Hive.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 14th 2019 at 6:07:09 AM


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