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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100251: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:51:12 PM

[up][up] Eh...the Batman beforehand was the Nolan trilogy. Which (in tandem with various other Batman properties) ensured that Batman was crazy popular. And fans wanted to see him and Superman together on screen for ages.

So yeah, writing had something to do with it, just not the writing of THIS movie. Kind of like nobody (but me, apparently) watched Shawshanks redemption in theatres but then everyone went to see The Green Mile. X-men had so many movies to built of its reputation.

Edited by Swanpride on Apr 9th 2019 at 1:53:11 AM

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#100252: Apr 9th 2019 at 2:25:31 PM

If you adjust for inflation, the only X-Men movies that have made as much money as X2 and The Last Stand are the Deadpool films, which are abnormally popular for their brand. At least, domestically. Box Office Mojo doesn't offer inflation-adjustment for Worldwide sales.

Last Stand sold 35.8 million tickets domestically. In comparison to the MCU, this puts its sales figures on part with Thor: Ragnarok and Spider-Man: Homecoming.

EDIT: As a FUN FACT sidenote, did you know that the only MCU films to put more asses in seats than Spider-Man 1 and 2 were Avengers 1, Infinity War, and Black Panther? True story! Maguire's Peter Parker has not aged well, but his movies were a cultural phenomenon in their day, the likes of which have been very difficult to replicate.

The Spider-Man movies are basically the Star Wars Original Trilogy of the superhero genre. They were like nothing anyone had ever seen before and they secured an inviolable place in history and in the hearts of people who remember seeing them as children. Also, everyone agrees that the second one was the best and the third one kinda sucks.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 9th 2019 at 3:35:34 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100253: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:19:14 PM

[up] Did you also know that Spider-Man wans on a downward trend domestically from day on and the only reason Spider-Man 3 grossed the most was the worldwide box office?

Also, I am not claiming that the X-men did badly, but I think they could have done Avengers numbers if they hadn't been so aggressively mediocre. The reason why Deadpool and Logan have made more than most X-men movies, despite having been r-rated (what really limits the audience) is because they weren't.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#100254: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:53:58 PM

I think the original Xmen and Spiderman movies worked at that time.

They've moved away from mocking hero tropes (what do you expect? Yellow Spandex) and wholeheartedly embraced that world that heroes lived in.

...they also gave Peter proper webbing. None of that organic shit.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#100255: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:55:51 PM

> they also gave Peter proper webbing. None of that organic shit.

Downside is Peter doesn't get to show his smart side by making his own webbing,also the films are based more off the cartoon,they don't have much in common with the comics basically

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#100256: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:57:03 PM

Organic free range cruelty free webbing

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#100257: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:57:15 PM

Spider-Man 2 is still one of the best superhero movies of all time. X-Men 2 is great, but the ending doesn't quite hold up to today's standards (oh is Magneto betraying them again? of course he's the bad guy again).

Of course, both were followed up by the worst examples of superhero movies (at the time). I remember watching X-Men: The Last Stand in theaters and just cringing when the Juggernaut appeared and said, "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch."

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#100258: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:58:30 PM

"I'm the Juggernaut, bitch."

I disagree,best part of the movie,helps he was played by Vinnie Jones.

Edited by Ultimatum on Apr 9th 2019 at 11:01:22 AM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100259: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:05:49 PM

If I hadn't gotten the reference, I wouldn't have liked that line back then.

Of course, now I know the ills of referential humor.

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#100260: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:08:04 PM

Also,someone in comments section pointed out how his helmets looks like it was made from styrofoam

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#100261: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:09:44 PM

[up][up] That was reference?

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#100262: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:11:27 PM

In the comics he says that,the line is from there

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#100263: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:21:37 PM

It's a reference to this.

This is a reupload, but to give an idea how old the original was, there's a Jackie Chan Adventures reference of all things in it. It was especially making the viral rounds around the time the movie was coming out.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 9th 2019 at 4:24:01 AM

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#100264: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:25:03 PM

..OK,I can see why that line would cause cringe,there I was thinking it was from the comics,but a yotube video is surprising

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#100265: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:38:54 PM

If it was from the comics, I would have been fine, but it wasn't. It was a goddamn meme. They put a meme in the movie because nobody fucking knew how to write the Juggernaut.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#100266: Apr 9th 2019 at 5:04:55 PM

they also gave Peter proper webbing. None of that organic shit.

Yeaaaaah, I personally prefer when the web is organic, or at least when it became organic later on (I'm still mad they had him return to mechanic web-shooters in One More Day. I hate regression). Honestly him having organic or mechanic web-shooter doesn't have that much impact overall, aside from providing a convenient way to incapacitate him every now and then by having him run out of fluid. And yes, it shows his smart side, but there are other ways to show this.

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#100267: Apr 9th 2019 at 5:27:50 PM

I'd be fine with combining the two. He produces webbing, but he's not able to shoot it out, just create a strand and lead it along. He builds the web-shooters as a way to turn his new natural spider silk into a useful projectile.

This neatly side-steps the issue of Peter somehow having an unlimited supply of what would be a gigantic breakthrough in chemical engineering, while still making the mechanical creation of the web-shooters and web-shooter capsules impressive in its own right.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 9th 2019 at 5:28:29 AM

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#100268: Apr 9th 2019 at 6:11:09 PM

Personally I prefer the idea that Peter's spider-ri-ness is just getting stronger as he gets older. He starts off using web shooters then at the point in the story when his mutation starts getting out of control he can shoot webbing organically.

At least I'd like to think that DNA is nature's IKEA and you can't just slide all of the convenient abilities of a spider into a human package being without some adjustment.

Also, a pox upon those who think Spider Men 1 and 2 were mediocre. I don't harbor any strong hatred for the Fox X-Men films either. Days of Future Past and Apocalypse weren't bad and First Class is honestly my least favorite of them al-

Ah crap. We're probably not going to see any continuation of the Logan timeline with an X-23 film now, are we.

Edited by Soble on Apr 9th 2019 at 6:19:59 AM

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#100269: Apr 9th 2019 at 6:40:07 PM

Peter producing spider-web naturally doesn’t mean it has to be unlimited. He might have to “recharge”.

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#100270: Apr 9th 2019 at 7:06:54 PM

A refractory period, one could say, before he can shoot his sticky white goo everywhere again.

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#100271: Apr 9th 2019 at 7:09:20 PM

Which real spiders have to do, actually.

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#100272: Apr 9th 2019 at 7:13:42 PM

Now I remember it's a thing in How To Train Your Dragon that dragons have a limited amount of fire available per day.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#100273: Apr 9th 2019 at 7:21:25 PM

Eh. I still prefer the web shooters.

Organic webbing can be a thing for other spider people.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#100274: Apr 9th 2019 at 7:37:01 PM

I mean.

Silk and Peter were bit by the same spider. Most of the others seem to be a clone of Peter in some fashion. Even an alien symbiote decided to pattern its biology after him despite having several future hosts.

Whatever Peter has is what the others should have in theory. Miles and Jessica excluded.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#100275: Apr 9th 2019 at 7:51:26 PM

There's that guy who ate the spider like a dingus and turned into a massive colony of man-eating devil spiders.


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