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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100226: Apr 9th 2019 at 10:56:48 AM

[up] Why should she keep up her disguise in a school full of mutants or when she is in a cell captured by people who know who she is (and which supposedly supresses powers btw).

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#100227: Apr 9th 2019 at 10:57:17 AM

At least they don't have a heroic version of Sabertooth in the movies. That would have been a bridge too far.

Canon main comics verse Sabertooth is one of the worst monsters in Marvel.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#100228: Apr 9th 2019 at 10:57:55 AM

Force of habit really,if your power is blending in your going to make use of it

[up][up]

Edited by Ultimatum on Apr 9th 2019 at 5:58:16 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#100229: Apr 9th 2019 at 11:00:14 AM

[up][up] Is he still inverted?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#100230: Apr 9th 2019 at 11:10:07 AM

NVM, nope, it's gone. He's back to being a feral monster.

Edited by M84 on Apr 10th 2019 at 2:12:26 AM

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#100231: Apr 9th 2019 at 11:14:33 AM

Jobbertooth is back :(

Just Makima.
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#100232: Apr 9th 2019 at 11:49:50 AM

Mystique is a character in dire need of a reboot. First Class did not deliver this.

A decision was made in the first X-Men movie that Mystique would always be naked in her base form because she was played by a supermodel and the filmmakers wanted fans to ogle her body. The rest of the movies have had this creative decision grandfathered in.

First Class had a chance to take a different approach on it. But they didn't, instead doubling down on it. "NAKED JENNIFER LAWRENCE IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT. Her sexy, sexy, nudity speaks to us all."

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#100233: Apr 9th 2019 at 11:50:03 AM

Question, why is it a bad thing if a complete monster villain becomes a hero in an adaptation? Most people watching the movies won't know what he's like in the comics anyway.

[up]She at least started wearing clothes more often in Apocalypse and I think she'll be clothed in Dark Phoenix.

Edited by windleopard on Apr 9th 2019 at 11:51:30 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#100234: Apr 9th 2019 at 11:52:31 AM

its not like the source material and that really annoys some people because you'd expect them to least have some similarity with the comics they're based off

I know the feeling all too well

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#100235: Apr 9th 2019 at 11:53:24 AM

I certainly hope so. The way they've tried to work the fanservice into the political message always came across to me as

  • Mystique: I have important things to say about the oppression of minority groups.
  • Producer: Uh-huh, that's neat, but can you take off your clothes? I want to watch your jubblies bounce while you're talking about whatever shit you're on about.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 9th 2019 at 12:53:48 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#100236: Apr 9th 2019 at 11:53:57 AM

Cause generally at that point its too different to be considered the same character.

[up][up][up][up] Oh that's why she's naked.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 9th 2019 at 11:55:07 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#100237: Apr 9th 2019 at 11:55:24 AM

Sex Sells

Sex Sells'

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#100238: Apr 9th 2019 at 11:59:52 AM

Any way, here's why Brie Larson is wearing make up in Endgame.

“We empower them to have control over their characters because they need to be comfortable playing those characters,” Russo said. And the same can be said for Carol Danvers’ look in Endgame.

“This was Brie’s first time playing the character ever,” Russo continued. “First day on set as the character ever. And those are the choices that she and her hair and makeup team made. I think as it approached the [Captain Marvel solo] film, [when] she started to think more about the character, she made other creative choices. But everyone should be given the right to have the freedom to make whatever creative choices they want to make. And those are the ones that she made that day with us.”

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#100239: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:16:23 PM

Mystique, what a meme. I'll watch First Class and Days of Future Pastnote  and that's about it. The Deadpools and Logan are about all I need with that franchise.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Apr 9th 2019 at 12:18:27 PM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#100240: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:35:36 PM

I remember the time where Bryan Singer was seen as the only guy to do good X-Men movies...

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100241: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:46:29 PM

I don't. But then, I always thought that the X-men movies were pretty sh... I always thought that they would have a way larger fanbase if someone did them right instead of churning out mediocre action movies.

Nevertheless, I am not in a hurry to get to the next version of them. Let this version finish. Let them be for a while. And then built them up again.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#100242: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:59:24 PM

Eh, the X-Men movies were good for their time. They just haven't aged that well.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#100243: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:07:26 PM

They came out long before the buyout and Marvel was half close to brankrupting itself a dozen times over,hence why they started selling film rights off left and centre,I'll admit the films aren't too bad and probably got slightly better over time

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100244: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:10:44 PM

[up][up] Yes, and I am old enough to have experienced that time. The comic book fans were easy to satisfy back then. The general audience, not so much. You needed Nolan and Feige to make them mainstream.

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#100245: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:15:13 PM

The general audience liked them just fine at the time too.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100246: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:21:38 PM

And yet those movies didn't come near to what Comic book movies do nowadays, not even if you adjust for inflation. Why do you think is that?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#100247: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:30:39 PM

Because superhero movies are popular nowadays, and were regarded as box office poison in the late 90s-early 2000s.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100248: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:37:48 PM

Yes, because they didn't put enough effort into the writing.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#100249: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:42:56 PM

If writing were the only factor in box office performance, Batman v. Superman wouldn’t have made 3 times as much as any of the X-men films.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#100250: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:46:58 PM

@windleopard- Thanks for sharing that article. That's good/interesting to know that it has to do with Endgame filming occurring before Captain Marvel, because although I didn't notice the difference until it was pointed out (and then it was really obvious), it seemed on the surface like it was a "male director versus female director thing" (cf. the different presentation of Wonder Woman and Amazons in the DCU movies).

That being said, for Watsonian reasons, I can justify the different look in Endgame as her looking a bit fancier as part of her status as the protector of the galaxy. That, and/or wanting to look nice for Valkyrie.

Also, as far as X Men goes, I don't really have any issues with making villainous characters heroic/more sympathetic in adaptation. However, at least in the case of Mystique, I felt that she was increasingly Jennifer Lawrence over time and decreasingly (a version of) the same character played by Rebecca Romijn, and more importantly, she, Charles, and Erik (and Wolverine too, natch) came to the dominate the movies to the determent of other characters, especially the non-white ones.

Edited by Hodor2 on Apr 9th 2019 at 3:47:09 AM


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