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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#100176: Apr 8th 2019 at 4:42:07 PM

I think that be a first for Two-Face.

........ Fuck sure why not.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#100177: Apr 8th 2019 at 4:51:58 PM

I think it’s a concept that could’ ve worked, though it might take a bit more setup for Rachel than just changing one scene.

What sets up Harvey’s descent into Two-Face is that he believes himself to be invincible via planning ahead. He thinks he can outwit the Joker, but the Joker proves to be too chaotic to predict. So Harvey’s view of a logical world snaps and he jumps to the other extreme of only chaos getting a say in anything, abandoning all moral responsibility.

So Rachel as Two-Face would either need a different motive unique to herself or be written a lot cockier than she was in either of the films.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 8th 2019 at 4:52:32 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#100178: Apr 8th 2019 at 6:02:27 PM

Sounds like Marvel plans to take their time with the X-Men.

“It’ll be a while,” Feige told io9 when asked about bringing the X-Men into the MCU. “It’s all just beginning and the five-year plan that we’ve been working on, we were working on before any of that was set. So really it’s much more, for us, less about specifics of when and where [the X-Men will appear] right now and more just the comfort factor and how nice it is that they’re home. That they’re all back. But it will be a very long time.”

That five-year plan is likely to start with movies such as Black Widow, The Eternals, Shang-Chi, and others. Unfortunately, on the list of topics Feige is unwilling to talk about in depth, Phase Four is even higher than Avengers: Endgame. The two things are seemingly too closely related, and any acknowledgment of the myriad of news out there about Phase Four could potentially ruin something in Endgame. Feige does think, though, that the new films are a worthy successor to the record-breaking first three phases of the MCU.

“The slate that we’re building over the next five years [is] not apples to apples,” he said when asked to compare the past and the future. “It is two very distinct things and I hope they’ll feel very distinct. But there is a similar mentality going into it, which is ‘How can we continue to tell stories with some of the characters that audiences already know and love in a unique way, in a different way, in surprising way, of which we have a lot of plans and ideas and work already going into it?’ [Then] ‘How can we introduce new characters that even hardcore fans, comic fans, have barely known or barely heard of.’ That’s really exciting too.”

Edited by comicwriter on Apr 8th 2019 at 6:02:43 AM

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#100179: Apr 8th 2019 at 6:04:21 PM

I wish someone would ask Feige about the Fantastic 4. The X-Men have had a ton of movies, quite a few of them good. The F4 are the ones who have a desperate need for a good film adaptation.

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#100180: Apr 8th 2019 at 6:06:41 PM

"Fantastic who?I'm sorry I don't know what your talking about" he said,winking as he walked away

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#100181: Apr 8th 2019 at 6:09:04 PM

I could see the FF coming back sooner since it's already been almost 4 years since the last....attempt. With the X-Men, I can see them wanting to put the franchise on ice for a while so they can make it clear the MCU version will be its own thing unconnected to the Fox movies, but with the FF, there's less need since the Fox FF movies weren't terribly successful to begin with.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#100182: Apr 8th 2019 at 6:09:57 PM

I think movies with Fantastic in the title have a hard time doing well.

I heard those Fantastic Beasts Harry Potter movies are very..... iffy.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#100183: Apr 8th 2019 at 6:10:05 PM

[up][up][up]And then gets tripped for making that joke.

Fantastic Four.

That's right. I suddenly have no sense of humour. Sue me.

Damn. I got ninja'ed so hard, it must be The Hand.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Apr 8th 2019 at 7:10:43 AM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#100184: Apr 8th 2019 at 6:10:34 PM

I have a hard time believing that Marvel will sit on a new Deadpool movie for five years.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100185: Apr 8th 2019 at 10:47:53 PM

Oh, Disney will the current Fox movies finish their run, and that includes Deadpool. Remember that the sequel already didn't do as well as the first one, so I guess they will let him make his jokes largely independent from the MCU but maybe referencing it until the audience gets tired of it.

It is actually smart to wait a few years and let the X-men be for a while.

Count me in as being more interested in the fate of the fantastic 4, the Silver surfer and the various properties which are lesser known.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#100186: Apr 8th 2019 at 11:12:36 PM

I’m looking forward to a Reed Richards that finally has that grey hair side thing he usually always has.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#100187: Apr 8th 2019 at 11:25:44 PM

He had gray hair in the first Tim Storey movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100188: Apr 8th 2019 at 11:31:51 PM

I am looking to a fantastic 4 team which are explorers rather than heroes.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#100189: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:38:28 AM
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Rabbitearsblog Movie and TV Goddess from United States Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#100190: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:42:25 AM

I think it's wise to wait on the X-men. The X-men has very complex stories and it would be difficult to incorporate them into the current universe.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#100191: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:47:33 AM

Especially since, you know, they would have to either make mutants a recent phenomenon (which causes us to lose all the cool backstories like Magneto or Logan) or explain us why the fuck nobody ever mentioned there was an entire super-powered human species besides the inhumans until now.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100192: Apr 9th 2019 at 1:53:31 AM

And the movies haven't even mentioned the notions of Inhumans yet.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#100193: Apr 9th 2019 at 2:48:07 AM

Yeah, because so far they have avoided crossing over the show into the movie. But that's the problem: if Mutants suddenly show up, they will have to address the existence of Inhumans in the movies.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#100194: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:05:50 AM

Steve: "Let's go get this son of a bitch."

Language, Mr Rogers!

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#100195: Apr 9th 2019 at 3:38:16 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if mutants showed up and AOS did the whole mutant / inhuman conflict but no movie mutants ever mentioned Inhumans at all. It seems like nothing is enough to force the movies into acknowledging the TV shows.

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#100196: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:15:31 AM

I hope Disney puts X Men in other media like games to keep Dan's happy.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#100197: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:20:23 AM

Honestly, I don't really see what the X-men would currently add to the MCU anyway.

Addressing prejudices? That is something you can do better in a TV show anyway, and you don't really need the mutants for it. In fact, Ao S did a better job to discuss what people with powers have to face while also acknowledging that being afraid of them isn't exactly the same thing as being afraid of, well, gay people for example than the X-men movies ever did.

Having some sort of school or academy? Again, something one can do better on TV and/or streaming and which can be done with the young Avengers just as well.

And yes, a lot of the X-men are popular, but there are so many other comic book characters which never got ANY movie adaptation (or never got any movie adaptation which could be called "good") who also have their fanbases and who fit way better into the MCU than the X-men do.

Plus, if you reboot the X-men/wolverine now, you will just get a lot of moaning from those who liked the Fox verse better are who are hung up about Hugh Jackman. Wait at least eight years, and the same people will be excited that they get something X-men related at all.

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#100198: Apr 9th 2019 at 4:48:44 AM

It's a shame that the F4 have gotten so shafted in terms of movies, because they're not bad characters. The F4 are insanely popular for a reason, they are great characters with great chemistry and great stories if they're written right. Just look at the various Fantastic 4 cartoons, they're mostly great.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#100199: Apr 9th 2019 at 5:08:55 AM

Hickman's run made me fall in love with the Fantastic Four. They absolutely deserve better.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#100200: Apr 9th 2019 at 5:09:04 AM

So that theory about how Ant-Man will beat Thanos in Endgame?

Well, there's a song about it now.


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