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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#100101: Apr 8th 2019 at 7:58:40 AM

[up] Well, Valkyrie is gay/bi by Word of God, so we'll see if Marvel is daring enough to show her in a relationship once she comes back for Endgame.

Amusingly, Fox technically beat Marvel to the punch with Deadpool 2, showing a consenting (and adorable) lesbian relationship between X-Men Negasonic and Yuki.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 8th 2019 at 10:59:35 AM

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#100102: Apr 8th 2019 at 8:33:38 AM

Hmmm...i'm getting Pride Before a Fall feelings from this clip. Like, Star-Lord levels of arrogance.

Imagine if Carol is taken out first by Thanos by turning her into bubbles. Wouldn't that be funnily anti-climatic?

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#100103: Apr 8th 2019 at 8:36:34 AM

Well, clearly the Avengers don't flit over to Thanos' digs, take him out, recover the Stones, and fix the universe all in Act 1. Draw your own conclusions from there...

Although I still maintain that it would be awesome if Thanos simply surrendered, having had a change of heart (or at least saying, "Fine, you try to do it better."), and then the heroes fall apart fighting over how they'll use the stones and, more importantly, who will use the stones.

I just had an amazing thought, which I'll spoiler tag just in case: What if that actually happens, but it's all an illusion of the Reality Stone designed to make the Avengers doubt themselves, or even destroy themselves, and Thanos is using it to prove his point?

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 8th 2019 at 11:49:05 AM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#100104: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:11:01 AM

Imagine if Carol is taken out first by Thanos by turning her into bubbles. Wouldn't that be funnily anti-climatic?

Yeah-no. Aside from the fact it'd give the Anti-SJW exactly what they hope for, I wanna see her fight as a team with the rest, damn it! Plus The Worf Effect would be pointless here. We already know Thanos is tough, no need to establish this anymore. I mean, he beat down the Hulk, that should be convincing enough.

Although I still maintain that it would be awesome if Thanos simply surrendered, having had a change of heart (or at least saying, "Fine, you try to do it better."), and then the heroes fall apart fighting over how they'll use the stones and, more importantly, who will use the stones.

I certainly hope the fight over the Stones part won't happen because we had enough of them fighting before. But my bet is on Thanos being talked into giving up the Stones personally.

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#100105: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:29:38 AM

I believe that brute force is simply not going to work against Thanos, no matter how much is brought to bear. First, it would be too simple a solution for a three hour film that serves as the climax of 21 other films; and second, he has the goddamn Infinity Stones. Even with the gauntlet de-powered, he can still alter reality, space, time, etc. to his whim. Nothing should be able to overcome that directly.

[down] Another hypothesis I have for the resolution is that the Avengers will use use time manipulation to go back and alter the choices they made in Infinity War that led to the bad outcomes.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 8th 2019 at 12:31:23 PM

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#100106: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:30:29 AM

Going for the head should do the trick

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#100107: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:30:54 AM

Turning her into Bubbles would be merciful compared to say,depowering her and then using her own powers against her or,using the mind stone on her so she's under mind control

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#100108: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:33:06 AM

@fasoman1996: That would be really dumb (and not in a comedic way), and that's coming from someone who thinks worfing Carol would be a good idea (just to make it clear that, despite being the strongest Avenger, she can't take on Thanos alone).

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#100109: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:37:25 AM

Yeah. I'm a little torn on this.

Carol does have a bit of a history of being somewhat reckless in the comics, but with the current climate right now, I feel like anything that makes her look bad would be wielded as a weapon by those ASJW idiots and I don't want that.

On the other hand, if it's done in a way that fits the character and the story, then I'd be ok with it, and I also admit that making sure those guys are wrong isn't a good enough reason. Plus, pretty much anything will be used by them to promote their agenda, so there's no point in worrying about it, or at least not in letting it dictate your actions.

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#100110: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:37:27 AM

I could see Carol being worfed at the start fighting alone, only for her to fight along with the rest of the team in the final battle. It's important to me that Carol doesn't come across as weak or ineffectual here.

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#100111: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:40:06 AM

Personally, I'd go with Carol attempting a Shut Up, Hannibal! while Thanos is giving some speech by blasting him, only for Thanos to actually survive relatively unharmed and compliment her on the "nice shot". Or if you wanna go for real comedy, have it be an Overly Long Gag where she keeps trying to blast Thanos every time he keeps trying to finish his speech until he eventually gives up in annoyance and decides to fight.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Apr 8th 2019 at 9:40:36 AM

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#100112: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:41:52 AM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#100113: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:43:44 AM

Honestly I don't see the point of her being Worfed, because we don't need to establish she cannot take on Thanos alone. That's fucking obvious; as strong as you are, you cannot defeat a guy who alter reality unless you hit fast (which Thor already did). They can have her just fight along with the rest and struggle the same they do.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#100114: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:43:56 AM

Depending on how much power the Gauntlet has left I could certainly see either: 1. Carol can easily beat him and maybe could alone, but that does nothing towards bringing the snapped people back or 2. it's kind of a curb-stop switch, with Carol getting some very good hits in but Thanos immediately taking it back once he starts attacking with the gauntlet.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#100115: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:44:29 AM

I would say that Carol and Thanos should have a knockdown, drag out fight, only interrupted by Thor who cuts the Gauntlet right off his hand. No worfing necessary.

Of course, since the Gauntlet doesn't work anymore, then they have to figure out what to do.

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#100116: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:49:11 AM

I'm guessing everyone beats Thanos but he destroys the stones to prevent them from getting them.

Cue the quantum realm.

Edited by LordVatek on Apr 8th 2019 at 12:50:11 PM

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#100117: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:57:11 AM

Honestly, the last thing I want is for Endgame to pull a Justice League and have Carol end up steamrolling Thanos and also get to be the one who defeats him. This is the finale for several beloved characters, so it would only be fitting that they get to be the ones who deal the final blow, not someone who was just recently introduced.

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#100118: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:58:12 AM

Still pulling for Nebula getting that killing blow in.

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#100119: Apr 8th 2019 at 10:01:19 AM

Cap still got several quotes to exchange with Thanos.

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#100120: Apr 8th 2019 at 10:02:29 AM

I think Nebula might end up being one of the casualties if I'm honest,though Gamora (once she's brought back) will probably will avenge her

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#100121: Apr 8th 2019 at 10:07:19 AM

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#100122: Apr 8th 2019 at 10:09:17 AM

Still pulling for Nebula getting that killing blow in.

I'd be for her reversing the effect like she did in the comic.

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#100123: Apr 8th 2019 at 10:10:16 AM

So Nebula reverses the effects while Gamora kills Thanos? Sounds good.

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#100124: Apr 8th 2019 at 10:33:33 AM

For one, we have already established that Thanos is superpowerful, so they can use every bit of help they can get. So Carol is better to her full capacity, or it wouldn't be believable at all that they are able to do what they couldn't do together. I am sure that there will be (as usual) a role for everyone in the fight, but they will need their combined abilities to their fullest.

Two, I somehow doubt that this will be the solution anyway. I suspect that when they defeat Thanos it turns out that nope, they can't undo what he did, maybe because the stones are too damaged. Because only the Russos would be cruel enough to put victory in reach (again) just for it being snatched away from them AGAIN.

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#100125: Apr 8th 2019 at 10:49:42 AM

Then Anthony and Joe appear and the movie becomes a metafiction satire, ended with the X-Men being introduced to the MCU by Deadpool.

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