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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#99926: Apr 4th 2019 at 3:00:16 PM

He also has a maybe baby in Finesse from Avengers Academy so if they ever do an Avengers Academy thing he could show up as her probable papa in a search for her origins.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 4th 2019 at 3:02:09 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#99927: Apr 4th 2019 at 3:40:48 PM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#99928: Apr 4th 2019 at 6:35:47 PM

RE Taskmaster, that's really cool @comicwriter to learn that he/ his costume was sort of a rip-off of Deathstroke. I hadn't really thought of similarities before, but now they seem apparent.

It's also interesting to learn of him being more heinous in earlier appearances (although not necessarily surprising for the reasons noted by Known Unknown). Reading a bit of his Wikipedia entry, I was struck by the fact that in said less sympathetic appearances, his supervillain training was more in the way of running a Red Room like operation (with shades of the MCU version of Faustus), which would make that take on him well suited to be a Black Widow villain.

That being said, I'd be kind of disappointed to use him (and presumably kill him off) as the Big Bad of a Black Widow movie, because I'd far more like to see him in his more "lovable" form as an Ant-Man villain. In particular, I'm thinking it might be cool to adapt Nick Spencer's idea of him and Eric O'Grady ('s evil clone) as Those Two Bad Guys in some kind of Dark Avengers movie, in which they were Scott and Luis' evil equivalents.

This discussion also reminds me that one of my only complaints (besides the underlying assumption that Wikileaks is good) with Winter Soldier is having Batroc as an example of Ruthless Modern Pirates with a stated reputation for killing captives. Because besides being an exaggerated French stereotype, Batroc's salient feature in the comics is that he's a pretty noble, heroic guy. Like the way, I understand him is basically what you'd get if you took a Gentleman Thief character of the kind played by Jean-Paul Belmondo, but made him the antagonist, and threw him in a world where he was generally outclassed.

And like he and Taskmaster are fairly similar in characterization, with the difference that Batroc frequently turns against evil employers when he learns of their true plans, whereas Tastmaster will do his job, regardless of any qualms, and just wants to collect a paycheck.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#99929: Apr 4th 2019 at 6:53:19 PM

The major downside to using him against Ant-Man is that neither Ant-Man nor Wasp give him any opportunity to show off his schtick, since unless they give him full power copying he can’t duplicate superpowers - and if you were going to do that, you might as well use a different villain, like AMAZO the Super Adaptoid - and he’s not liable to be training people to be size shifters even if he could.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 4th 2019 at 6:55:43 AM

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#99930: Apr 4th 2019 at 6:55:23 PM

Didn't his Ultimate version copy powers?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#99931: Apr 4th 2019 at 6:59:53 PM

The Ultimate comics had a habit of making characters stronger either for Rule of Cool or convenience’s sake, yeah.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 4th 2019 at 7:01:17 AM

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Funny but not helpful
#99932: Apr 4th 2019 at 8:18:52 PM

I think Ultimate Taskmaster has the ability to channel energy, like a knockoff Bishop

Didn’t matter because like many arrogant and mighty before and after, he fell to the venom sting

And basically got his ass kicked by children whereas the 616 Taskmaster got his start punking an entire roster of Avengers

His only weakness was Jocasta because like the writers most days he just didn’t know she existed

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 4th 2019 at 11:20:28 AM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#99933: Apr 4th 2019 at 10:15:27 PM

Hypothetical scenario:

Thanos' plan was based on resource management and bad math.

We know it has unintended negative consequences because it doesn't take into account infrastructure that exists for resource delivery or that can affect lives and throw the math off, such as the automotive and aviation collisions we saw in the post credit scene, or how life saving support staff can be erased, such as in the Ant-Man end credit scene, or if neo-natal doctors were snapped away, etc.

(we also know it wouldn't work unless everyone in the universe knew his issue was resource management, immediately and evenly took fair population restrictions to curb it, and allowed for the equitable distribution of existing resources, such that localized food scarcity or other such concerns weren't an issue)

"Not a great plan."

But let's say that as a result of his snap, a dangerous, hateful government leader(s) was removed from existence. At least under that individual's territory, during the time after the snap, people fared better without them. Would it be fair, good, or what have you, to undo the snap and restore them?

Or what if some people fell in love due to the snap, and remarried after their spouses died? Or made some other, non-resource based life decisions? Would simply undoing the snap, or restoring people to life, be ethical?

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#99935: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:16:30 PM

If it's within your powers to undo a genocide and you choose to actively not do so, that makes you the villain.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99936: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:17:49 PM

Hold on, let me get my timeship and go back and kill Hitler.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#99937: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:18:48 PM

I'd go buy stocks from Microsoft &/or Apple.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#99938: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:20:35 PM

I mean, if you have a timeship and don't at least try to undo one of the many, many, many genocides throughout history... yeah, that's bad.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#99939: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:22:27 PM

Well yeah of course yeah I'd prevent some bad stuff but nothing wrong with benefiting myself a little.

I can stop myself from getting caught in that 12th grade chemistry test.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#99940: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:23:20 PM

Oh, sorry, I was responding to alliterator.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99941: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:30:17 PM

I mean, if you have a timeship and don't at least try to undo one of the many, many, many genocides throughout history... yeah, that's bad.
It depends on how time travel works, actually. And, in the case of Hitler, it probably wouldn't have worked, since the racism and anti-Semitism was so entrenched in German society that another dictator probably would have arisen to take Hitler's place and might have even made it worse. I'm reminded of a great quote by Terry Pratchett:
Shoot the dictator and prevent the war? But the dictator is merely the tip of the whole festering boil of social pus from which dictators emerge; shoot one, and there’ll be another one along in a minute. Shoot him too? Why not shoot everyone and invade Poland? In fifty years’, thirty years’, ten years’ time the world will be very nearly back on its old course. History always has a great weight of inertia.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 4th 2019 at 11:30:40 AM

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#99942: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:32:50 PM

[up] Considering that Red Skull exists in the MCU, killing Hitler could easily lead Red Skull taking over the Third Reich. And he's much smarter than Hitler, complete with super science to back him up.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#99943: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:39:52 PM

Well, you're just not going back far enough, then. You're not thinking fourth-dimensionally!

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#99944: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:47:40 PM

Ok so what if we just killed all of Germany. Then we wouldn't have Nazis at all.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99945: Apr 4th 2019 at 11:48:15 PM

So to stop a genocide, we need to perform a genocide?

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#99946: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:00:33 AM

If you don't think about it its a perfect plan.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99947: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:00:50 AM

[up][up] If you want to derail a huge part of the technological development in the 20th century, just go ahead.

Funfact: Germany holds the highest percentage of patents per capita.

Honestly, if you plug someone out of the timeline, better pick someone who is childless.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#99948: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:22:56 AM

What if we just went back even further and killed off the emergent homo erectus as they took their first upright steps?

Then there'd never be a human-committed genocide ever.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#99949: Apr 5th 2019 at 12:23:55 AM

Yeah but then you'll just create monkey genocide. And hooooo boy trust me, that's messy business right there.

Poor Jupiter...

Gort Since: Sep, 2010

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