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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Then watch it before you form an opinion on it. What are you doing here?
I can definitely see how, compared to the brilliant visual worldbuilding seen in Guardians of the Galaxy, Black Panther, and Thor: Ragnarok, the depiction of the Kree and the Skrulls would seem pretty bland and generic. It's the Earth based sequences that shine, not the outer space or alien world based stuff.
sigh I wasn't preaching that, I was arguing about this:
Look, far from me to deny that female voices have less space on anything, let alone film criticism, but saying that the reason people didn't like the movie is simply because they didn't "get" the message it was trying to promote feels disingenuous.
I'm not saying anyone has to agree with me on this, or for that matter anything else, but I take offence with people trying to put words in my mouth.
Compare this review
(which appears as if the reviewer barely even saw the film) to, say, this review
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I will say that the gulf between male and female reviewers of this movie was ... jarring. Especially since I saw all the feminist messages in it, and the fact that many did not (or just plain dismissed them) is extremely telling. When Yon-Rogg pulled the "control your emotions" gambit at the end, I knew exactly what the film was saying.
And she has emotional depth. She's not a woman who is constantly crying on screen, screaming in terror so men can rescue her, or falling dizzily in love with a hunky dude, so maybe people were expecting that? I really don't know. But she clearly changes over the course of the film, expresses lots of emotions, and comes out of it a stronger person. What more do they want?
Edited by Fighteer on Apr 1st 2019 at 6:40:00 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I'm pretty sure the reason they can't see the point of Yon-Rogg telling Carol to control her emotions despite her being perfectly calm is because they think he's right. They see nothing wrong in a male officer telling a woman to control her emotions and thus take it at face value that Carol is supposed to have emotional problems and that it's the movie's fault for not showing it.
Well, the "control your emotions" bit has two different contexts going on at once. There's the context of a man criticizing a woman for being too emotional, but there's also the context of a martial arts sparring session where the mentor criticizes the pupil for being too emotional. In movies, any advice the mentor gives the pupil in such a situation is generally meant to set up what the pupil will struggle with going forward, and finally mastering their mentor's lesson is what lets them win the final showdown (see: just about any interaction Dr. Strange had with the Ancient One).
Of course, the reveal that said mentor is actually a bad guy changes the context considerably.
Edited by RavenWilder on Mar 31st 2019 at 8:46:39 AM
No kidding, that is the new goal post they have set for Captain Marvel to pass.
Of course it is. They're still trying to pit Wonder Woman fans and Captain Marvel fans against each other.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Is that from a movie novelization?
My god, do they still do movie novelizations?
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
They do, although Marvel generally likes doing prequel novels instead of novelizations these days. However, this is from Avengers: Infinity War: Destiny Arrives
by Liza Palmer (who has written a bunch of YA novels
, as well as one about Carol Danvers in the Air Force
).
And there's the upcoming Peter and Ned's Ultimate Travel Journal
, by fav podcaster and critic Preeti Chhibber
.
You know what's funny about the control your emotions thing (and I mentioned in one of my posts, possibly my first about the movie)?
When Carol blasts Yon Rogg, not only does she refute his claims, but she also takes his advice in a twisted way, but not letting her emotions guide her and taking his bait.
She wins, not just because she's the Goddamned Captain Marvel, but because she keeps her head exactly like he'd been trying to teach (though for very different reasons).
One Strip! One Strip!
