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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#99526: Mar 28th 2019 at 8:38:52 PM

My entire conception of who lives or dies has been centered around a scene I very much doubt they'll avoid putting in the film: one big shot, every last superhero in the MCU at once all together, someone - probably Cap - says "Avengers Assemble," and they all rush Thanos (or whoever else there may be) at the same time.

If that doesn't happen, I'll be very surprised. Like, that's a no-brainer. The CW verse did something similar a year or so ago, for the same reason: it's the money shot that the huge Crisis Crossover is all about.

And if that's (probably) going to happen, then the heroes not currently alive to make that scene happen will have to be (probably) resurrected. And subsequently, any heroes who end the film dead will have to expire after that point.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 28th 2019 at 8:40:52 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99527: Mar 28th 2019 at 8:40:26 PM

Ironically Hank had someone pissed at him for very similar reasons

When it comes to Pyms vs Starks it’s kind of jerks vs jerks

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#99528: Mar 28th 2019 at 8:42:04 PM

At least Tony's charming.

Hank is just unpleasent.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#99529: Mar 28th 2019 at 8:44:01 PM

Ironically Hank had someone pissed at him for very similar reasons

The irony being that, for all his hatred of Starks being supposedly untrustworthy, Hank is far less sympathetic in the same situation.

Mostly because he's the only person who claims his old partner whose kid is out for revenge was actually a bad guy, vs multiple sympathetic people who disagree, and by the time he says it we already know damn well his perspective of the world is narcissistic, misanthropic and self-serving.

The situation with Vanko, for all Howard's faults, is straightforward backstory, so at least we have reason to believe than Anton Vanko was indeed a traitor.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 28th 2019 at 8:45:29 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#99530: Mar 28th 2019 at 9:44:46 PM

@Rob: not necessarily illegal. Also, not necessarily unethical. Depends on the terms of the working arrangement. The limited scenes in which we hear about the backstory. But even Tony realizes that regardless of what he did, Anton was effectively un-personned by Howard using his political connections, for trying to do exactly what made the Starks rich.

Two thoughts:

  • Mickey Rourke was really underrated as Ivan Vanko. He was actually my favorite Phase 1 villain. Second was Red Skull. All those Jerkass Has a Point moments, and the fact that he was pretty transparent with anyone who actually cared to listen and not underestimate him.
  • Both in this movie and in real life, I detest the idea of deportation. It (in the American system) effectively states "I will remove you from your home, livelihood, and often family and friends, because we have devised a punishment specifically for people who weren't born here, which you had no control over."
    • Also, MAJOR spoiler warning for recent non-MCU film(s): Jordan Peele's latest film, Us, is about the idea of how we see and treat people based on birth/socioeconomic factors beyond their control.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Mar 28th 2019 at 11:50:42 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#99531: Mar 28th 2019 at 9:55:05 PM

Bit hard for an MCU villain to be worse than Killian or Malekith, I'd say.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#99532: Mar 28th 2019 at 10:48:57 PM

My entire conception of who lives or dies has been centered around a scene I very much doubt they'll avoid putting in the film: one big shot, every last superhero in the MCU at once all together, someone - probably Cap - says "Avengers Assemble," and they all rush Thanos (or whoever else there may be) at the same time.

If that doesn't happen, I'll be very surprised. Like, that's a no-brainer. The CW verse did something similar a year or so ago, for the same reason: it's the money shot that the huge Crisis Crossover is all about.

And if that's (probably) going to happen, then the heroes not currently alive to make that scene happen will have to be (probably) resurrected. And subsequently, any heroes who end the film dead will have to expire after that point.

I've been assuming that none of the snapped characters will have any fighting screentime. My assumption has always been "the movie is all about defeating Thanos, then they bring everyone back at the very end for a joyful reunion".

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#99533: Mar 28th 2019 at 10:53:32 PM

Now I’m gonna be bummed when we don’t get 30 heroes charging and fighting at once like the original Avengers long take on steroids.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#99534: Mar 29th 2019 at 12:02:22 AM

So Valkyrie is in this movie, but what about Korg?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99535: Mar 29th 2019 at 12:51:25 AM

Either dusted or taking care of the other survivors of Asgard. And I would be kind of happy to not see him. I don't want his particular brand of humour in Endgame. Happy to see him in another movie, but not in this one.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#99536: Mar 29th 2019 at 3:20:36 AM

Yeah I don't think Korg would really work in this film. It probably won't be completely humour-free (because Marvel) but it will take a different form.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99537: Mar 29th 2019 at 4:13:42 AM

As usual with Marcus and Mc Feely, there will be a lot of situational humour, but not a lot of quips.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#99538: Mar 29th 2019 at 6:20:48 AM

To people wondering about Goose,he's fine,he went over the Bifröst bridge and sleeps on Odin's bed

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99539: Mar 29th 2019 at 6:22:31 AM

A new supercut in preparation of Endgame

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#99540: Mar 29th 2019 at 6:44:52 AM

Oh hey, nice to see they're still active.

BTW, that backlog is very intimidating, did I miss anything important?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99541: Mar 29th 2019 at 7:49:45 AM

[up][up][up] But Asgard blew up

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 29th 2019 at 10:50:03 AM

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Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#99542: Mar 29th 2019 at 9:06:35 AM

[up] But Odin was living on Earth when he died. tongue

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#99543: Mar 29th 2019 at 11:42:24 AM

wild mass guessGoose defeats Surtur

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#99544: Mar 29th 2019 at 11:47:40 AM

Surtr returns for endgame to save the day.

By blowing up the planet Thanos is on.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#99545: Mar 29th 2019 at 11:48:30 AM

oh no

they're going to blow up Earth

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#99546: Mar 29th 2019 at 11:52:25 AM

And if that's (probably) going to happen, then the heroes not currently alive to make that scene happen will have to be (probably) resurrected. And subsequently, any heroes who end the film dead will have to expire after that point.

I am predicting the resurrections will happen at the top of the third act so we get one last big fight with Thanos.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#99547: Mar 29th 2019 at 11:55:32 AM

I would very much enjoy that. I want Gamora to get to help take Thanos down.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#99548: Mar 29th 2019 at 12:15:12 PM

Does anybody know when Endgame tickets are gonna be on sale?

I'd like to try and reserve seats for this. When I went to see Black Panther I wound up sitting at the left edge of the front row, which was crappy, because I didn't reserve a seat.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
I'm here for our date, Rose!
#99549: Mar 29th 2019 at 12:17:52 PM

I've read April 2nd, but I'm pretty sure that's just a rumor. Still, it's something.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#99550: Mar 29th 2019 at 12:19:44 PM

better then April 1st..which is my favourite time of the year

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