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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#99451: Mar 26th 2019 at 3:47:08 PM

All of the Guardians have flaws; they are a collection of anti-heroes and that goes with the territory. You may take issue with their actions for various reasons, but claiming that they are "not heroic" is kind of missing the point.

Never said they aren't heroic. Just that they all need each other to balance them, and even that isn't easy. Without the others to curb his tendency to want to take things from people purely for the sake of having them, as shown with his love of cybernetic limbs and the theft of the batteries in GOTG 2.

Without the others, especially with how they are gone, Rocket is gonna do something really stupid.

One Strip! One Strip!
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#99452: Mar 26th 2019 at 3:49:58 PM

I'm actually expecting the opposite: Rocket, now that his friends are all dead, is going to actually get serious and try to straighten himself out.

Leviticus 19:34
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#99453: Mar 26th 2019 at 3:50:47 PM

He'll try and collapse in a heap as he realises how alone he is

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99454: Mar 26th 2019 at 3:53:42 PM

He still has Thor, who he forged a bit of a connection to

Unless he’s pissed off about the go for the head thing, Thor can be his big broad large shoulder to cry on

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#99456: Mar 26th 2019 at 3:59:35 PM

I want all my Guardians back damnit :(

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#99457: Mar 26th 2019 at 4:34:55 PM

Regarding the posters, I'm sad about Shuri. And about the omission of posters for Heimdall (the first death in Infinity War and the one who gave Earth a fighting chance) and M'Baku. Hill, too, I guess.

For humor reasons, I'd like to see posters for Luis, and Ebony Maw with the Black Order.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99458: Mar 26th 2019 at 4:54:33 PM

[up][up][up] Pun unintended, believe it or not

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#99459: Mar 26th 2019 at 6:51:12 PM

My guess is they only bothered to give posters to the dead characters we're actually going to see come back onscreen in this one. I remember the Russos (or was it the screenwriters?) saying characters like Sif also got killed in the Snap, and they don't have posters either.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#99460: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:03:01 PM

Glad Valkyrie made it in after all.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#99461: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:08:08 PM

I want Valkyrie and Okoye to cross paths somehow.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#99462: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:10:15 PM

I want to see her chat with Carol so it's less of a Crack Pairing.

Anyway, late to the Stucky discussion but it also grates my gears incredibly when characters with heterosexual love interests are described as exclusively homosexual and somehow lying about their interests in their canon love interests by fandom. It's straight-up bi erasure; having them not be as interested in that particular character is one thing, but it's in rather poor taste to remove their capacity for interest in the opposite gender altogether when canon shows otherwise, unless it's explicitly stated to be a straight-up (heh) AU.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 26th 2019 at 10:49:37 AM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#99463: Mar 26th 2019 at 7:19:17 PM

I desperately want Carol and Valkyrie to interact in Endgame. It would be a crying shame if they somehow never managed to meet.

People insisting that characters who have canonically been attracted to the opposite gender are gay, and that said attraction was not real, will never not piss me off. It is just such blatant bi-erasure. I see it all the time, certainly not just in the MCU fandom (...the Supergirl fandom comes to mind, for the love of God, just let Kara be bi!) and I wish people would just. stop doing that. It also just feels kinda.... shitty, I guess, to just erase a character's canonical instances of attraction like that.

Edited by DeathsApprentice on Mar 26th 2019 at 10:20:53 AM

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#99464: Mar 27th 2019 at 8:22:32 AM

It never ceases to amaze me that gays and bisexuals can be at odds with each other. So silly.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#99465: Mar 27th 2019 at 8:37:49 AM

It's disappointing that similar groups of people can't along

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#99466: Mar 27th 2019 at 9:05:41 AM

Biphobia is real and frustrating. We’re not gay enough for some gay people and we’re still too queer for some straight people (or get harassed for a 3 way with a het couple)

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#99467: Mar 27th 2019 at 9:44:02 AM

From what I've seen, asexual and aromantic people have it even worse.

EDIT: This was not meant to belittle biphobia, it's still a real and serious problem, just pointing out another example of the LGBT community not being so accepting of their own.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 27th 2019 at 9:45:48 AM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#99468: Mar 27th 2019 at 9:48:03 AM

[up]Oh? I was under the impression most people don't pay attention to asexuals and aromantics.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99469: Mar 27th 2019 at 9:50:45 AM

Eh, I've seen instances where people in the LGBT community deliberately exclude asexuals/aromantics, because they believe that lack of sexual/romantic attraction isn't the same thing as attraction to the opposite sex and believe that asexuals/aromantic somehow "have it better" than others in the LGBT community.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#99470: Mar 27th 2019 at 10:06:22 AM

One of the common arguments tends to be "ace people aren't LGBT because they don't experience systemic oppression". Of course, that ignores that they totally do, that ace people only relatively recently became public knowledge, and that saying that is exactly the kind of thing that CREATES systemic oppression.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#99471: Mar 27th 2019 at 10:16:12 AM

Wait ‘til you hear about gold-star-lesbians, truscrum, transmeds, and sex and gender universalists. Tribalism is everywhere in the queer community.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#99472: Mar 27th 2019 at 10:30:40 AM

As a general rule, activism is not one big, happy family.

Thinking the world is divided into "Majority Demographic" and "Everyone else" is how we get logic like, "Yes, we whitewashed the Ancient One but we also made the character into a woman so it evens out! It's a lateral move, really!"

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 27th 2019 at 11:31:49 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#99473: Mar 27th 2019 at 10:37:02 AM

One of the most depressing things about activism is the way valid causes will often throw each other under the bus so that their just cause gets attention and resolution first, instead of fighting together for stronger effect.

You find a lot of petty feuds that boil down to "we have it worse, so stop whining." Or "this cause is supposed to be about me, stop ruining it with your problems." Which just helps the crowd who wants everyone to stop talking about anything "political" get what they want, because the people who should to speaking up are doing half their work for them.

But like Dr. King said, an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 27th 2019 at 10:40:52 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99474: Mar 27th 2019 at 10:51:54 AM

Especially since the Alt-Right is now using this by trying to pit the various groups against each other.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#99475: Mar 27th 2019 at 11:21:06 AM

Trans and ace people definitely suffer a lot of abuse and exclusion from TER Fs and acephobes. It’s awful. And the worst of it is people claiming “oh, we want to protect women, that’s why demeaning and endangering trans women is good” and I just. Rage aneurysm.


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