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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Coulson, Mack, and May don't seem all that different from Season 1. Jemma, Daisy, and Fitz do.
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Coulson's and Mack's (from season 2 onward) changes are more subtle. Remember, there was a time when Mack abhorred violence and disliked everything weird and alien. Now he is the leader of Shield and is dating a woman who has superpower due to alien dann.
May in season 1 was completely closed of and traumatized. In a weird way she might be the one team member who got better due to even more trauma, making peace with her past, partly because she saw how the word could have looked like if she had made another decision and partly because the people she encountered have breaken down her emotional walls.
But yeah, the change in Sky, Jemma and Fitz from season to now is stunning. Can you imagine that back then we dubbed Fitzsimmons the Sciencebabies? Nobody would use the word to describe them now. They really have lost their wide-eyed innocence. Though they are still sciencing the sh... out of everything. You can take all their toys away and they still science themselves through problems.
Also, the transition from Playful Hacker Skye to genuine Action Girl/Extraordinarily Empowered Girl Daisy Johnson was fantastic.
Hopefully, the character development stuff will change with the introduction of the Disney+ shows, including The Vision & Scarlet Witch, Winter Soldier & Falcon, and Loki (of all of these, Loki has perhaps received the most character development, having a large role in a total of five films — yes, Wanda was also in five films, but only if you count the post-credits scene from Winter Soldier). Then they can transition from the shows to the films and we can see the payoff of the character development while also seeing the development itself.
Edited by alliterator on Mar 25th 2019 at 12:23:29 PM
Considering how much of a fanbase AOS has (and Parrot Analytics says that it's in "the top 0.03 percent of in-demand TV shows worldwide"
), they probably won't contradict anything in it, although they might still continue to ignore it (although I hope not).
And considering just how well received Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage were, I hope they don't recast/reboot those characters either, choosing instead to use the same actors when, inevitably, they are used again. I mean, now that they are going to make R-rated Deadpool movies, I hope they can make R-rated Daredevil movies.
Edited by alliterator on Mar 25th 2019 at 12:51:27 PM
And that sometimes people really need to move away from their snap judgements. Those "not in the know" were still making fun of Ao S when it already had hit its strive.
This twitter thread
demanding DOOM in the MCU is pure gold. Oh my god.
That sure is a list of accomplishments.
Although any villain could be so good if they had writers retconning away all their failures.
Ironically enough see also Thanos
Forever liveblogging the AvengersNo, I mean, like, even if Doom fails, he will never admit to failure. There was even a bit when Arcade lights a match off Doom's armor — and later on, it's revealed that that's really a Doombot, whom Doom destroys...but maybe it was actually Doom? Doom likes to make people confused about which is really him and which is really a Doombot, since that way, nobody will ever know if he failed, was defeated, or not.
I think the real joke is John Byrne and Jim Starlin furiously going "NUH UH" and taking a red pen to continuity.
I think the best one was when Doom didn't try to pretend Squirrel Girl beat only a Doombot but just rewrote the memory in his head so that he won and decided to leave for no reason.
Edited by Bocaj on Mar 25th 2019 at 12:34:24 PM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersYou know, I do find it kinda ironic that a while ago, everyone thought Agents of SHIELD was going nowhere and would eventually died out, while the Netflix shows were seen as the future of Marvel's tv series. Now the Netflix shows all got cancelled, while AoS not only already had more seasons than any of them, but is getting renewed beyond its "finale".
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Partly, that's because Agents of SHIELD is aired on ABC, which is owned and thus controlled by Disney, rather than the Netflix shows, which were controlled by Netflix and Disney together (and they apparently did not have a good relationship). But, of course, just being on ABC didn't save Agent Carter or Inhumans — so the other part is the fact that Agents of SHIELD was just plain good and kept getting better and did so on a reduced budget, too.
Edited by alliterator on Mar 25th 2019 at 9:42:17 AM

Yeah, this is one of the limitations of the MCU being a series of movies, as opposed to an actual television show (something Patrick H. Willem's talks about in his "The Limitations of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
" videos): every movie needs to be a big event, but the real character development is often during scenes where people are just sitting around and talking. In a television show, then, you can have episode after episode where there are fight scenes and talking scenes and slowly develop the characters over ten or twenty episodes, but a movie requires a lot of big fight scenes and therefore inhibits those talking/character development scenes.
Imagine an Avengers TV show where Civil War was actually the finale: it would start with Captain America and Black Widow training the New Avengers, going on mission after mission, and we, the audience, could see how their characters would develop throughout. Unfortunately, we are seeing the finale without seeing the accompanying buildup, because, well, it's a movie.
This is partly why I consider Agents of SHIELD to be one of the best things in the MCU — if you compare the characters in Season 1 with the characters in Season 5, they are vastly different, but the audience actually got to see that change and growth and it happened over the course of seasons, rather than off-screen. We don't know how or when the Scarlet Witch/Vision relationship actually began, but we do with Fitz and Simmons and so we care more about them and their relationship.
Edited by alliterator on Mar 24th 2019 at 7:07:57 AM