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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99201: Mar 24th 2019 at 10:03:49 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#99202: Mar 24th 2019 at 10:04:59 AM

[up][up]Well, we don't have anything else to go on, so what do you expect fans to do?

Not theorize like the lunatics we are and simply go on with our lives while witing for the movie's release in quiet, dignified expectation?

Because that is madness, I tells ya! Madness!

Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 24th 2019 at 2:05:33 PM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#99203: Mar 24th 2019 at 10:07:28 AM

I’m mostly irritated because I loved Carol’s aesthetic in Captain Marvel and they’ve got her in makeup/hair that doesn’t fit that aesthetic. It’s too fussy and heterosexual.

Natasha’s wigs have always been a mixed bag; they’re overall fine but the Infinity War bleach blonde look was awful on her.

I hate that they shaved Steve. His beard looked so good. But at least he’s not Clint, who looks GROSS AS HELL.

Thor looks great as always. Tony never really gets hair/beard changes. Ditto Ruffalo, other than hair length.

Edited by wisewillow on Mar 24th 2019 at 1:07:51 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99204: Mar 24th 2019 at 10:30:48 AM

??? Heterosexual????? How does someone look Heterosexual? And how exactly does a woman look NOT Heterosexual? I mean, I know how a man can do it is he wishes to (independent from his actual sexual orientation), but I wasn't aware that there are rules how a heterosexual woman is supposed to look?

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#99205: Mar 24th 2019 at 10:35:44 AM

... as a queer women myself (bisexual) there’s certain hair and makeup aesthetics that are queer coded. I’m not quite sure how to explain, and of course the occasional straight woman may wear a similar aesthetic, plus there’s femme lesbians, but... I have no idea how to explain this. It’s a vibe.

As for looking heterosexual, there’s a standard set of aesthetics for (mostly white) women in film/media that is the default for straight women. A few different styles of makeup, a couple of standard hair styles. Again, not sure how to explain. Carol’s hair/makeup/clothing in Captain Marvel screamed queer; her makeup/clothing in the end credit scene and trailer for Endgame scream straight.

Edited by wisewillow on Mar 24th 2019 at 1:38:17 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99206: Mar 24th 2019 at 10:43:48 AM

Really? I genuinely had no idea (but then, my "solution" for hair and makeup is usually to not wear any at all and put the hair in a pony tail whenever I fear it might be in the way….)

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#99207: Mar 24th 2019 at 10:49:57 AM

It's interesting to hear that. I did a google search about gay lisps/lesbian hairstyles once, and there was an article that had basically said two things:

  • that it was confirmation bias - people notice more lesbian/female characters with that hairstyle because people was excluding non-feminine, heterosexual characters
  • that bisexual/homosexual people aren't as obliged to pursue hairstyles/appearances that appeal to traditional/heterosexual interests (long hair, dresses)

I'd always assumed that "queer coded" appearances were discredited and more happenstance than anything.

Edited by Soble on Mar 24th 2019 at 10:50:48 AM

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#99208: Mar 24th 2019 at 10:51:59 AM

Aww, man, I missed my chance to say "Dormammu, I've cum to bargain" last night.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99209: Mar 24th 2019 at 11:17:06 AM

[up][up] Yeah, that was my assumption, too.

On a different note, here is a very interesting take on Civil War. There are some thoughts in it I genuinely hadn't heard beforehand.

I especially like the idea that Tony trying to put rules on the Avengers is a parallel to him impulsively closing down his weapon manufacturing.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 24th 2019 at 11:23:48 AM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#99210: Mar 24th 2019 at 11:49:06 AM

Carol's makeup looked the same to me in the end credit scene as it did in the movie proper. Now in the Endgame trailer is a different story. But I'm not that worried considering we don't even know how much of what's in the trailer is gonna be in the movie anyway [lol]! Those Russos are such tricky bastards. tongue

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#99211: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:11:31 PM

[up][up]

Interesting. Has anyone ever flat out said they thought the pro Accords side was wrong? I got the impression that their side was supposed to be right, even if I agree that Tony is doing this for all the wrong reasons.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#99212: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:24:02 PM

Personally, I always sided with the Pro-Accords side.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99213: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:24:07 PM

As far as I can tell, the usual read is that both sides are somewhat right...Tony being right about the principle of oversight being needed and Cap being right that the Accords are not the right kind of oversight. The most common reading seems to be that you are supposed to land somewhere in the middle. Well, there is naturally the "Tony is a poor misunderstood whoobie and Cap is a big meanie" fraction. But the reading that Cap is right and Tony is a villain is pretty unusual. People who fall on the "the movies says Cap is right" camp usually add "and that is totally unfair towards Tony" instead of being complementary about the fact.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#99214: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:28:54 PM

But the reading that Cap is right and Tony is a villain is pretty unusual.

Try looking through tumblr, io9, disqus or cbr. Just for starters. Trust the idea that Tony is the bad guy and Steve is 100% is not unusual. Hell, it's not uncommon on this very forum.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#99215: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:29:56 PM

the last battle literally had the background of the last supper,really obvious what they were going for

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#99216: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:30:47 PM

Well, I'm half joking when I say Tony Stark is the greatest villain of the Marvel Universe. I mean, he is but still.

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ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#99217: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:33:56 PM

The accords are left incredibly vague so both sides can imagine them for what they want them to be, reasonable or draconian. I don't think you can have an actual debate about them.

But I do understand Steve's point completely. Seeing suffering and being told he can't do anything about it is kind of the ultimate nightmare scenario for him.

You are not alone.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99218: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:36:02 PM

The last supper? Really?

I judge this mostly on here and AO 3, where the Team Tony tag is really overused and often goes with "Team Cap is full of shit". And some of the discussion here. Like I said, people who say that the movie takes Cap's side often say that this is a mark against the movie, not for it.

I fall in the "both side have a point" team with a slight leaning towards Cap when it comes to the Bucky issue. Because nobody has the right to hurt my poor Bucky!!!!

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99219: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:39:29 PM

What about Bucky's dentist?

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#99220: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:41:28 PM

I personally also sided with Tony's side in the movie, in STRONG contrast to the comics version.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#99221: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:42:49 PM

There's a slight similarity, but not really enough to say the symbolism was intended.

Seems like a coincidence for me.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99222: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:46:44 PM

[up][up] It probably helps that Tony took almost every attempt at being reasonable or compromising rather than his much more questionable hard line approach in the comics.

He gets unreasonable at the end but that has nothing to do with the accords anymore.

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 24th 2019 at 3:48:15 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99223: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:48:21 PM

[up][up][up][up] Better treats lightly. VERY lightly.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 24th 2019 at 12:48:30 PM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#99224: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:48:56 PM

I lean more towards Cap's side in the conflict, I think.

And I've never seen anyone saying that the movie is on Cap's side, and thinking it's a good thing. Most people who I've seen saying the movie sides with Cap count it as a point against the movie. So that video was an interesting perspective.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99225: Mar 24th 2019 at 12:58:12 PM

I also liked it pointing out the juxtaposition between Tony having one talk with a distraught mother and making and impulsive decision and Steve taking a long time to deliberate the various arguments. I never noticed this detail.


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