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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#99026: Mar 20th 2019 at 6:38:40 PM

[up]More likely the Soul Gem, given that his power in the movies revolves around his soul possessing other bodies.

Edited by M84 on Mar 20th 2019 at 9:38:56 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#99027: Mar 20th 2019 at 9:08:45 PM

Again, you don't need such an elaborate explanation.

Just have some characters in one movie notice that the number of people turning up with superpowers keeps increasing, and that for a lot of them there doesn't seem to be any obvious origin for their powers; they were either born with them or suddenly developed them one day. Then have Professor X or someone like him say that mutant powers are just the natural result of human evolution, that there have been sporadic cases of mutants throughout history, but now human evolution has reached the point where mutants are appearing in large numbers, presaging a time when they replace regular humanity altogether. News that makes quite a few people freak right the f*ck out.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#99028: Mar 20th 2019 at 9:10:17 PM

In the comics it was implied that the atomic bombs' detonations were the catalyst for the spike in mutant birth rates. "Children of the Atom" and all that.

Edited by M84 on Mar 21st 2019 at 12:10:51 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#99029: Mar 20th 2019 at 9:15:26 PM

On a purely conceptual level, one of the advantages of mutants is that you don't need an elaborate explanation for someone having superpowers. Instead of having to say "X character's parents were in Y position to get affected by an Infinity Stone years ago, and so they were born with powers," you can just say "X is a mutant."

I'm not sure I'm totally down with the idea of having mutants be yet another thing that's actually about the Infinity Stones, especially now that the "Infinity Saga" is ending. It keeps the universe from fully growing in new directions.

ExplosiveIsamu00 Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#99030: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:52:49 PM

Have we entertained the thought that, since Endgame is going to involve time-travel shenanigans (right?) maybe once the Avengers revert the snap they go back (forward?) to the moment they left and they notice that something is no quite OK? Like all of a sudden there's this shitload of powered people and everyone's like "what, these idiots? Yeah, they are mutants, have been around for decades, where have you guys been?"

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99031: Mar 21st 2019 at 12:27:34 AM

Honestly, the discussion is pointless. Whatever Feige will do with the X-men, he certainly won't just shove them into the MCU. He will first carefully wrap up the current franchise and then do some equally carefully planning.

I am calling this now: We will get to see the Fantastic Four before we get to see any X-men in the MCU. At most there will be a Deadpool movie full of comments about his changed circumstances.

IronScope STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS. from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS.
#99032: Mar 21st 2019 at 4:38:45 AM

In regards to the Maximoff's parentage: just wait until the Sliding Timescale makes it plausible for known Holocaust survivor Magneto to be their grandfather, if that's not already happened.

This place is careless.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99033: Mar 21st 2019 at 6:17:20 AM

I guess that would be an acceptable compromise

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#99034: Mar 21st 2019 at 6:19:07 AM

Speaking of the FF, who should the villain of the first film be? Whi Le Dr. Doom is their most popular villain, I'd have them start off against Mole Man, who was their first foe in the comics. Doom should be saved for the sequel so we dont have to cram too much in the first film.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#99035: Mar 21st 2019 at 6:21:54 AM

Annihilus

Entire movie is a flashback to what they’ve been doing in the negative zone

“You’ve been missing for decades!”

“Time sure is weird in negative space!”

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99036: Mar 21st 2019 at 6:33:14 AM

Moleman. I am sure that Marvel would find a way to make him not silly. And they should start with a small threat this time around.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#99037: Mar 21st 2019 at 6:36:23 AM

I still say the best way to introduce mutants is to have them trickle in gradually, rather than instantly dumping the entire mutant situation onto the MCU in a single moment.

Have characters who are mutants appear individually in various movies. Mystique and Rogue in Captain Marvel. Whirlwind in Ant Man. Wolverine or something in the Black Widow movie. Etc.

Then finally, establish that people like Ross are trying to control mutants, and fearmongers are turning them into pariahs and a persecuted class. Cue X-Men movie.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 21st 2019 at 6:37:24 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99038: Mar 21st 2019 at 6:53:45 AM

Well, I am sure nothing regarding the Mutants will happen until the current Mutant franchise is wrapped up.

I just hope that if they tackle the F4, they won't waste too much time on the origin story and immediately introduce them as a Familie of Explorers.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 21st 2019 at 6:54:57 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#99039: Mar 21st 2019 at 6:56:51 AM

I'd be happy if New Mutants is actually released, honestly.

Just scrap Dark Phoenix, we all know it's going to be shit.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#99040: Mar 21st 2019 at 6:57:28 AM

[up][up]I mean that's happening in only four months at the latest and that's assuming New Mutants doesn't get banished to streaming. So I'm not really sure it matters.

Edited by LordVatek on Mar 21st 2019 at 9:57:45 AM

This song needs more love.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#99041: Mar 21st 2019 at 7:01:04 AM

[up][up]The reverse is far more likely.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#99042: Mar 21st 2019 at 7:05:47 AM

I think we'll see mutant at a time,someone like Wolverine shows up at first because everyone is familiar with him(speaking of which,who should play him for his appearance in the cinematic universe?)

Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 21st 2019 at 2:06:00 PM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#99043: Mar 21st 2019 at 7:11:53 AM

[up]I don't know, but I wouldn't want to be that actor. It will be nigh impossible to do something that measures up to Jackman's performance. Say what you want about the X-Men movies, they at least nailed that.

Edited by Theokal3 on Mar 21st 2019 at 3:12:32 PM

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#99044: Mar 21st 2019 at 7:20:14 AM

I'd be completely fine with them just omitting Wolverine. He's been done a lot, while I feel like there are characters who have appeared in even multiple X-Men movies but haven't really had a chance to shine.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#99045: Mar 21st 2019 at 7:22:33 AM

As much as I want to see other Xmen he's practically the face of the Xmen for most people(along with Cyclops professer X,Storm,Magneato ) so including him as the first Xmen makes the most amount of sense

Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 21st 2019 at 2:22:44 PM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#99046: Mar 21st 2019 at 7:25:00 AM

Eh. I mean wasn't Spider-Man considered the face of the Marvel Universe (along with the X-Men) before the MCU started? I'd prefer if the MCU started with introducing the lesser known mutants first tbh. Considering it's kinda been their modus operandi for a while now.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#99047: Mar 21st 2019 at 7:36:35 AM

If Feige is smart (and he usually is) he won't touch Wolverine for a while. If they introduce him now there will just be resentment because he isn't the "real" wolverine. Wait at least five years and the Wolverine fans will be happy with getting him at all.

Plus, if they reboot the X-men, I want to see the X-men, not Wolverine and friends. And that is not an uncommon sentiment.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#99048: Mar 21st 2019 at 7:36:59 AM

I wonder, will Macgargan's be tied to JJ in this continuity if they ever get to focus on him?

Uni cat
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#99049: Mar 21st 2019 at 7:44:10 AM

[up][up]Just do the original five for now, Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel, and Jean. And give Angel his bazooka.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 21st 2019 at 10:50:46 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#99050: Mar 21st 2019 at 7:48:58 AM

@Beatman 1: I know, and it's a real pity.

FOX has already shat on the Dark Phoenix once, now they're gonna do it again, and we won't have a MCU adaptation of that story for a looooong time.

New Mutants, meanwhile, is a completely unknown variable that actually tries to do something innovative, and I was really rooting for it.

But such is life.


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