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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#99001: Mar 20th 2019 at 3:50:19 PM

Not yet, no. But Ant-Man has three times next month. Plus his daughter, almost certainly. And we also had Hank interacting with SHIELD.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 20th 2019 at 3:51:03 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99002: Mar 20th 2019 at 3:52:50 PM

[up][up] The Wasp was supposed to be in Civil War, but they realized that they didn't have enough time to develop her character, so they left it to Ant-Man and the Wasp. Which also had SHIELD in it.

Name an MCU film and I can name a crossover in it.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 20th 2019 at 3:53:08 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#99003: Mar 20th 2019 at 3:56:35 PM

Incredible Hulk

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#99004: Mar 20th 2019 at 3:57:37 PM

The thunderstorm that Hulk encounters halfway through the movie was caused by Thor landing on Earth. Likewise, the events of both movies can be seen on news reports in Iron Man 2. Tony Stark himself shows up in The Incredibly Hulk's stinger.

Also, the serum that drives Blonsky insane was a knockoff super soldier serum. Plus the weapons they use against the Hulk are Stark tech.

Not a bad amount of synergy for an origin movie made when the MCU was a series still trying to find its footing as a universe.

Offhand, I think the movie with the least amount of crossover with the rest of the MCU is probably Guardians of the Galaxy 2, which was about leaving what we knew behind and exploring aspects of The 'Verse that the audience had never yet been introduced to. The Guardians of the Galaxy series as a whole is less connected to everyone else in general, because they're the flagship cosmic series and their events literally take place removed from the rest of the characters, but even so the first one had Thanos and gave us lots of establishment about what the franchise's Big Bad was up to.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:07:35 AM

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#99005: Mar 20th 2019 at 4:06:12 PM

I know the movies will probably never acknowledge AOS but a bunch of superpowered people suddenly appearing and them being hated and feared is what happened with Inhumans on the show

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99006: Mar 20th 2019 at 4:06:57 PM

Incredible Hulk
Tony Stark appears in Incredible Hulk. He meets with General Ross.

Tony Stark himself shows up in The Incredibly Hulk's stinger.
It was supposed to be the stinger, but executives were still worried at the time that people weren't going to stick around after the credits, so it was moved to before the credits.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:08:03 AM

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#99007: Mar 20th 2019 at 4:12:10 PM

What would be your opinion if MCU Wanda and Pietro are retconned into being Magneto's children?

Would they also be considered mutants in the MCU? or Metahumans?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#99008: Mar 20th 2019 at 4:16:01 PM

Probably wouldn't be a problem overall. IIRC it is implied that while their power was given by the Stone, there's a reason they didn't die like all the other test subjects. Downside is it would need to happen in a movie that's about them, in particular.

Cue the Cap's Kooky Quartet movie.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:17:09 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#99009: Mar 20th 2019 at 4:16:44 PM

Oh hell no. Scarlet Witch always has all of her character stripped out until only "Magneto's Daugther" is left whenever the two interact.

Not so much a problem in the comics, which can just show different aspects of her in different books, but movies don't have that much space.

Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 20th 2019 at 8:17:14 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#99010: Mar 20th 2019 at 4:20:15 PM

Same happens to Pietro anyway.

He's just more of an ass about it.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99011: Mar 20th 2019 at 4:44:43 PM

Quicksilver is totally dead, too, so I don't know what would be the point of it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#99012: Mar 20th 2019 at 4:48:57 PM

Irony because now Wanda can get all of daddy's attention unlike Pietro who got jack shit from him in the Foxmen.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:49:18 AM

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#99013: Mar 20th 2019 at 5:00:11 PM

> Quicksilver is totally dead, too, so I don't know what would be the point of it.

no that was a Skrull in deep cover,the real quick silver was elsewhere

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#99014: Mar 20th 2019 at 5:41:32 PM

I really hope Magneto isn’t made Wanda’s dad at all ever in anything but since I know it will happen eventually I want it to take a while

Django Maximoff died for the twins. And actually raised them, thinking they weren’t even his real kids

That’s a real dad.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#99015: Mar 20th 2019 at 5:49:17 PM

Where's the fun in that though? evil grin

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 20th 2019 at 5:49:36 AM

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#99016: Mar 20th 2019 at 5:50:31 PM

Django also turned them into puppets once

That’s fun

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#99017: Mar 20th 2019 at 5:52:13 PM

Shit mofo why didn't you say that at the beggining? tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 20th 2019 at 5:52:32 AM

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#99018: Mar 20th 2019 at 6:14:03 PM

If you do like I've been suggesting and connect the sudden existence of mutants with the people who were erased from existence and then restored, Wanda can become a mutant retroactively.

Could even add in a bit about how Strucker's experiments with an Infinity Gem activated her and Pietro's mutation in exactly the same way that the Infinity Gauntlet shenanigans did for the rest of the race. They were mutants before mutants were a thing.

And then in comes Pietro and Wanda's heretofore unmentioned father, a Holocaust survivor from Sokovia who was one of Thanos's 50%....

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 20th 2019 at 7:14:17 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99019: Mar 20th 2019 at 6:23:48 PM

And then in comes Pietro and Wanda's heretofore unmentioned father, a Holocaust survivor from Sokovia who was one of Thanos's 50%....
They mentioned their father: both of their parents died due to a Stark missile.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#99020: Mar 20th 2019 at 6:24:07 PM

I like the idea that, assuming the Snopped population come back as the result of the Infinity Stones, the energy transfers to them and gives them powers, creating the mutants and essentially retconning Wanda and Pietro (and I guess Carol too? Why not) into mutants as well.

Alternatively, Wanda gets a hold of the Infinity Gauntlet, says "No, more mutants" and they call it a day without bothering to explain it.

Edited by LordVatek on Mar 20th 2019 at 9:24:35 AM

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#99021: Mar 20th 2019 at 6:26:14 PM

alternatively the existence of mutants have been secret until someone uploads the files on every single mutant around the world

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#99022: Mar 20th 2019 at 6:27:44 PM

creating the mutants and essentially retconning Wanda and Pietro (and I guess Carol too? Why not)
Why Carol? She was never a mutant in the comics and she wasn't Snopped in the movies either.

On the other, Carol did hang around the X-Men in the comics a lot, so we could definitely use her in an X-Men movie. Hell, we could even introduce the Starjammers and have Carol know them and they could adapt the Brood Saga, which would be awesome.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 20th 2019 at 6:28:46 AM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#99023: Mar 20th 2019 at 6:31:51 PM

[up]Carol's power came from an Infinity Stone. If the idea is that Infinity energy (or whatever you'd call it) creates mutants, where does that leave her?

Edited by LordVatek on Mar 20th 2019 at 9:33:23 AM

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#99024: Mar 20th 2019 at 6:34:43 PM

clearly she's a super mutant!

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#99025: Mar 20th 2019 at 6:34:50 PM

And then you could still have older mutants via past Infinity Gem shenanigans.

Maybe Apocalypse was the person who found the Time Gem long, long ago.

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