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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98926: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:03:02 AM

[up] I really doubt that will happen.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#98927: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:03:04 AM

Given that we've already seen people reactions to enhanced people in the films and the Avengers seem like a rather open minded bunch (not so much people like Ross), that seems unlikely.

Hell, Cap's reaction a pair of freakishly superpowered enemies who were given those powers by the organization he hates more than anything in the world is to instantly give them the benefit of the doubt.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 20th 2019 at 11:04:33 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98928: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:06:29 AM

The reboot will happen when a resurrected Quicksilver goes back in time to save his parents and ends up altering the timeline too much, so he goes back again to unsave them and ends up merging the Disney and Fox Marvel universes.

It will then be known as Quickpoint.

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#98929: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:06:55 AM

I've been thinking that Endgame could, itself, serve as the "in" for mutants. To sidestep the messiness inherent to trying to retcon mutants as having existed this whole time, they could have mutants come into existence via the events of Endgame.

Maybe some of the people who were erased and then restored to existence come back different.

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#98930: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:07:32 AM

Of course, some of the Avengers are going to be out of commission now. Who knows how the next lineup will regard mutantkind.

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#98931: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:23:11 AM

Calling it the Decimation bugs me.

It should be the Bination.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98932: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:25:02 AM

In the comics, one of the origins of the X Gene was the Celestials performing experiments on proto-humans.

Maybe do something similar, like, the mutants were created in order to serve as an army for the Celestials (they're evil in the comics, right?), but the events of Endgame triggered the awakening of the genes and mutant powers a few centuries earlier than it should.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#98933: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:30:51 AM

@ Fighteer

Maybe the way the Infinity Stones are dealt with sends "mutant energy" into the universe. There are lots of possibilities.

That's actually something I believe should be how Mutants be introduced for the MCU. Have them be people contaminated by the effects of Infinity Stone usage since the 1940s and that anti-Mutant racism becomes the new "social war" post-Endgame.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#98934: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:39:17 AM

In the comics, it's always been the case that, while mutants have always been around, for most of history they were few enough in number that they just flew under the radar, or were dismissed as legend. It's only recently that there's been a mutant population boom big enough to bring them to the public's attention.

The very earliest comics attributed the sudden surge in mutants to radiation given off by atomic bomb tests (hence why mutants were sometimes called "Children of the Atom") but I don't know if that's still canon.

So, when introducing mutants to the MCU, all they have to say is, "Yeah, there were a handful of mutants around before, and mostly no one knew about them, but now a lot of 'em are suddenly awakening their powers. And while the public is mostly cool with superheroes who show up on TV and save the world from aliens, they're not so chill about having superpowered people living next door to them or going to school with their kids."

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#98935: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:55:15 AM

On the one hand, mutants just having been there the whole time is kind of a continuity snarl and why they stayed in hiding while there were clearly supers all over the place would be silly. On the other hand, having Endgame create mutants means either 1. all of the mutants get their powers in the present day and we basically have to origin story everyone or 2. some time shenanigans happen and a mutant empowering event happens in the past which is basically a soft reboot.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98936: Mar 20th 2019 at 11:57:50 AM

I still think that the X-men don't really fit into the MCU and that it would be better to stick them in an alternate universe. I mean, it is the best of both world. You can do the X-men as dark as "adult" as you want by establishing an alternative brand to the MCU, but if you want a cross-over, you can always to a dimension-hopping event.

Plus, the MCU is already rather crowded. Once you add the Fantastic Four character, the Eternals and some other characters in the queue, there will be a huge universe. The X-men alone have enough material that they could be their own little universe. This would also ensure that Marvel studios would have something to fall back on should the MCU start to bore the audience.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#98937: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:00:51 PM

Except we've had a lot of X-Men movies already that play up the dark, tragic, social commentary aspect of the franchise. We could use some films that take a break from that to just be fun adventures about a bunch of super powered folks going to the Savage Land or what-have-you.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98938: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:03:26 PM

[up] But the social conflict is pretty much the core of the X-men. And so far, NONE of the movies did a really good job exploring it.

Though, frankly, maybe the X-men are better suited for Streaming anyway….

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#98939: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:12:23 PM

I'm looking forward to the Fantastic 4 in the MCU more than I am the X-Men. The F4 have been so let down by their movie adaptations that it would be difficult for the MCU to do worse, and they're such great characters in so many other mediums that it really sucks that they've been short-changed so much by live-action.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#98940: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:16:03 PM

[up][up] No, the core of the X-Men is being able to have a lot of people with varying superpowers turn up and not needing to give each of them a unique origin story. The discrimination metaphor is something they've gotten a lot of mileage out of, but isn't strictly essential to a good X-Men story.

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#98941: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:29:31 PM

[up]Agreed, that was literally the whole reason Stan Lee created them: to not have to think up a different origin story to every new character.

As with many great things in comics, the minority metaphor was added later.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98942: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:30:48 PM

[up][up][up] Me too. I am not in a hurry to see more X-men (other than Dazzler, and she doesn't HAVE to be an X-men, she could just as well be an Inhuman), but I really look forward to explore all the properties Fox either ruined or ignored.

Hell, I am all for the Savage Lands, too, I just don't think that you need the X-men or Mutants for a story like this.

[up] Sure, but the minority Metapher is what made the X-men big. It's the reason they eventually took off. Removing it and you start to wonder what the difference between the Xavier School for Gifted Children and the Avengers Academy actually is.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 20th 2019 at 12:32:19 PM

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#98943: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:40:05 PM

[up]Dazzler is getting a Hulu cartoon.

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#98944: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:44:00 PM

[up][up]But a movie is not the best place to explore that angle.

I think it was Tobias who said it first, but a movie is a big event, in order to really explore prjudice with a story, you need to show the day-to-day, which is only really possible in a TV Show.

X-Men movies should stick with the big stuff, like Dark Phoenix, Genosha, and Apocalypse. Leave the metaphor to TV, it's where it can have room to breathe.

Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:44:19 PM

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#98945: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:46:38 PM

[up]It would cost a small fortune (and doing it wrong gets us Inhumans) but the idea of a weekly drama on network TV, no Gifted, no funny metaphors, just plain Jane X-Men (or The Uncanny X-Men) could probably do monster ratings if done right.

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#98946: Mar 20th 2019 at 12:53:40 PM

Disney has a streaming service and is producing shows for it. So an honest-to-Living-Tribunal X-Men TV series might actually be possible. It just wouldn't appear on networks.

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#98947: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:14:02 PM

So, a co-worker and I were just chatting about the MCU and I had a brilliant idea.

If Marvel is going to reboot the Fantastic Four, that means that Doctor Doom has to show up, right? He's one of the most persistent and infamous villains in all of comics. He owns his own country, Latveria, that he hides from the rest of the world and uses to manufacture his super tech. (Never mind where he was during Phase 1-3.)

Well, Wakanda might have something to say about that, also being a hidden nation with super tech. T'Challa has shown that he's interested in economics and politics. He buys real-estate; he's a head of state. He knows about legal maneuvering and courts. Instead of going off and fighting Doom, why not sue him in-universe for copyright infringement? It would be hilarious and surreal at the same time. Deadpool could provide running commentary.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:19:17 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98948: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:19:26 PM

I don't care if they put the X-men on TV or in the movies as long as they are in their own universe…they could do it the other way around this time. Instead of starting with the movie and then branching out to TV, they could start with a high-quality streaming show and then create stand-along movies within this universe which are constructed in a way that you don't HAVE to see the show to understand them.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#98949: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:23:42 PM

[up][up] Unless Doom was outright stealing Wakandan designs (and the vibranium they rely on), the notion that Wakanda somehow owns the concept of technologically advanced isolationist countries would be more than a little too ridiculous even for a comedic film.

Personally I perfer the idea that Sokovia and Latveria are the same country, and Docotor Doom rises to power in the fallout from the Ultron crises. He then renames the country Latveria, and rebuilds it a high tech isolationist state.

Edited by Falrinn on Mar 20th 2019 at 4:24:18 AM

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#98950: Mar 20th 2019 at 1:28:59 PM

[up] That'd be cool, too, but I prefer my idea just because it's funnier.

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