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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Also worth noting that choosing to soft retcon things and "getting careless with the timeline" are two different things. Changing minor details when said details would otherwise get in the way of a fuller story is one of the things that has be done in a long running universe with a lot of criss crossing content.
Consider the context in which he made that statement - he's talking about a situation specifically local to SHIELD. Consider also that he's actively lying to Steve's face when he made that statement. He didn't exactly say that he couldn't trust Tony Stark or Thor either - other people who, like Carol, had exactly nothing to do with the situation.
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You’re forgetting about the Knee which outgun humanity that have been conquering worlds and shapeshifting aliens that could potentially take over Earth from the inside. And this is what motivated him to form the Avengers initiative.
Fury has no way of contacting Thor. The movie made a point that Fury has trust issues and didn’t trust Natasha who he worked with for years. So I wouldn’t put it behind him that he didn’t trust Tony. He trusted Steve because fought against Hydra back in the day.
And this is no doubt a retcon, so none of this was in the film maker’s minds.
Edited by ManOfSin on Mar 19th 2019 at 12:35:09 PM
No past fact has been contradicted. The arrival of Thor still caused SHIELD and the World Council to enact Phase II (and hey, they were Hydra anyway, so they were probably looking for an excuse). And what, he was going to call Carol to deal with Hydra, a distinctly human problem? Yeah, right. Plus, again: she might have been galaxies away.
Kevin Feige was also asked why Fury never contacted Carol before now. His response was, "What makes you think he hasn't?"
I’ve seen The Winter Soldier twist been called a retcon by many people such as Screen Junkies. This is the definition of a retcon after all:
“revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events.”
Edited by ManOfSin on Mar 19th 2019 at 12:51:58 PM
And the idea that Fury wouldn’t consider the lives of millions of people on the line and Hydra(who have access to alien technology) taking over the world to be an emergency worthy of Carol’s time because it only involves humans sounds really silly to me. Especially, when he’s in a situation where he doesn’t know who to trust.
Fury had zero had context to what was happening in the post-credit scene of Infinity War and yet he still called her.
Edited by ManOfSin on Mar 19th 2019 at 1:12:54 PM
Deadpool is now on the Walt Disney Company's front page
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Well yes, that's kind of the point. The Avengers fell apart, Tony Stark went missing after aliens parked their massive ass ship in New York for an hour, wrecked the place, and then fucked off. Then some other aliens made a mess of Prague, and a couple hours after that everyone starts turning to dust at random, Fury and Maria themselves included. Cap/Rhodes may or may not have even had a method of contacting him to relay what Banner knew, given how quickly everything went down and how secretive he is.
All he knows is that, whatever this is, this is happening now; there is no context; there is no gameplan; there is no A team. This is the big one, there is no time, page Carol while you still can.
Edited by TheAirman on Mar 19th 2019 at 12:11:08 PM
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Forever liveblogging the AvengersGuys...a little bit more careful. There are surely still people who haven't seen Captain Marvel yet.
And no, I don't think that Marvel is getting in any way sloppy with their timeline. Okay, they have changed something you could only know if you freeze frame Got G. That is nothing new, though, Marvel has changed the more hidden details all the time. And you can still explain that one away anyway. And Captain Marvel if anything shows how careful Marvel is, I was frankly impressed how they managed to insert the story into the timeline without creating a bunch of plot-holes. The only time they really f... up was with Spiderman and I suspect that this might be more the result of sloppy communication somewhere along the line. I suspect since every fan noticed and complained about it, they will be more careful in the future.
The major flubs tend to be the easter eggs. Thrown in as continuity nods and because they don't know yet that they'll be contradicted or done differently down the line.
Captain America's shield showing up in Iron Man 2 except of course its not the thing.
Fury's invitation to Tony to the Avengers Initiative only to have him unceremoniously booted between movies because he was just too Tony and because they wanted the Avengers movie to go a little differently.
As alluded, the Infinity Gauntlet in Odin's treasure room.
Even Thanos' smirk at the court death line now that we know what he's like.
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Speaking on behalf of SHIELD as a whole (and smalls bits of humanity in general) this is still true - from what we've seen he kept the events of Captain Marvel a secret from goddamn everybody, the Avenger's themselves included.
You mean emergencies where he had a team on hand, assembled with a plan and ability to end the threat? The entire point of the Avengers is that Carol isn't there, she's who-the-fuck-knows-where in the universe preventing a genocide and waging a war against a galactic-level empire. Earth cannot afford to survive by her grace; even if she can move faster than light that doesn't mean instant transmission, and as seen in the post credits scene it takes potentially months for her to arrive at the compound.
For all we know he did page her when the portal opened over New York, and then paged her again two hours later when the Avengers took care of it - not mention that Thor himself showed up shortly after Loki, so there's the spaceborn intervention come to help. Nevermind that Hydra and Ultron are humanity and the Avengers own messes to clean up in the first place.
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