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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#98476: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:32:11 PM

Counterpoint: Donald Trump. The amount of loyalty a person inspires is not directly related to the moral goodness of his character.

But I have read his tweets in question and while I did find them offensive, I can also respect that people change. I was not opposed to Disney firing him on the grounds that pedophilia really is a serious issue and dreadfully inappropriate for a company like Disney. But if Disney thinks he's better than that, then I'm not opposed to hiring him back, either.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#98477: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:33:01 PM

[up]

I can buy that. It is possible that he came to realize how horrible what he said was, but also never thought to bring it up until he was forced out (maybe out of shame).

I mean, in the end we'll have to judge on actions, because we can't read his thoughts.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98478: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:36:06 PM

Fair point, but the kind of people the Got G cast is certainly paints Gunn in a far better light than Trump.

Not that that's hard, but you see my point.

Besides, the way Disney went about firing Gunn was a humongous dick move: most of Marvel found out about it at the same time as the audience, despite the fact that having one of their most successful directors fired thanks to a bunch of alt-right nutters would seriously damage their brand.

[up]Do keep in mind he might've just forgot about it.

I mean, most people don't obsess over stupid shit they did in their past unless something happens to remind them of it.

Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 15th 2019 at 4:37:53 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98479: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:39:08 PM

As I said back then: I felt that Disney did the right thing due to being Disney. They need to be careful when it comes to paedophilia, more so than any other studio. And they couldn't have waited because then they would have been accused of having only bowed under "public pressure" if there had been something to the accusations.

I am also not opposed to them rehiring Gunn, partly because he took his "punishment" gracious and didn't make weak excuses other than saying that he isn't that guy anymore.

Though I do think that Gunn is sometime unconsciously slipping into sexism in Got G - Ie, ever noticed that all fighter pilots of the Nova Corps are male, while the female members walk around in short skirts holding papers like glorified secretaries? - I also think that he is trying to do better.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 15th 2019 at 12:41:11 PM

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#98480: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:43:54 PM

The ironic thing about James Gunn getting fired was always that it was the antithesis to the actual movies that where being made. Star-Lord, Tony Stark, Thor, Strange... They where all assholes who learned to be better people. James was a perfect example of that: Someone who realized that their impact on the world could be better so they decided to do better.

I guess the redemption arc has gone full circle?

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#98481: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:46:01 PM

I still think that firing James Gunn (or pretending to) had nothing to do with the quality of his character and everything to do with the "Disney Director Makes Pedophilic Jokes" headline that gained steam around the time.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they're sort of side-eyeing Chris Pratt now.

Edited by LordVatek on Mar 15th 2019 at 3:50:30 PM

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#98482: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:49:04 PM

Now that Gunn has Guardians again, I would like to see him give Suicide Squad 2 to another director who could use the boost. Preferably a diverse one.

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#98483: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:56:46 PM

[up]The reports state he'll do both movies. Squad first, then Guardians. Besides I don't think Marvel has an issue with people working on DC stuff simultaneously.

Edited by Mario1995 on Mar 15th 2019 at 3:57:20 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#98484: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:59:39 PM

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they're sort of side-eyeing Chris Pratt now.

What did he do?

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#98485: Mar 15th 2019 at 1:01:15 PM

His association with Hillsong Ministries which is a pretty right-wing megachurch with a history of anti-LGBT stances, and claiming that it totally isn't.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 15th 2019 at 4:01:30 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#98486: Mar 15th 2019 at 1:09:39 PM

See.

Starlord is an asshole who ruins everything.

I told you guys.

But yeah, that's not cool Chris. Stop that.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#98487: Mar 15th 2019 at 1:16:36 PM

For context, it came up in a debate with Ellen page. It's entirely possible his chapter might not be as bigoted as others but it's still worrying that he's going to go this far to defend them.

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#98488: Mar 15th 2019 at 1:16:43 PM

Fun fact, the person who called Pratt out on this was Ellen Page who played Kitty Pryde in the X-Men movies.

And an even more fun fact, Star-Lord and Kitty dated for a time in the comics.

Don't you just love when real life makes your fiction look so damn funny?

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#98489: Mar 15th 2019 at 1:28:27 PM

I don't think Pratt is a homophobe himself. The things I've heard him say on the subject have been reasonably supportive and he even said he thought pairing Star-Lord and Thor would be pretty hot. This seems more down to naivete and idealism rather than hate or bigotry. The fact that he's doubling down so hard though makes me think it might just be willful ignorance.

On the subject of Bautista, I'm surprised he hasn't reacted yet. Let's hope he can handle this thing graciously. He's seemed pretty touchy recently, even getting into a Twitter feud with Stephen Amell of all people (though that may just be him acting the heel even when not in the ring)

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98490: Mar 15th 2019 at 1:29:35 PM

[up] Think the Amell think was just him acting the part of Heel.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#98491: Mar 15th 2019 at 1:29:59 PM

Yes, so far I think he's just being a bit of an idiot. Nothing truly harmful yet, but there is stil the potential of him becoming radicalized.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98492: Mar 15th 2019 at 1:33:14 PM

The Pratt case seems to me to be simply him trying to defend the indefensible because he probably has a lot of friends in that church, maybe even people who helped him through tough times.

Sooner or later he'll have to take a stand, of course, but I don't envy the position he found himself in.

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#98493: Mar 15th 2019 at 1:48:23 PM

The ironic thing about James Gunn getting fired was always that it was the antithesis to the actual movies that where being made. Star-Lord, Tony Stark, Thor, Strange... They where all assholes who learned to be better people. James was a perfect example of that: Someone who realized that their impact on the world could be better so they decided to do better.

I guess the redemption arc has gone full circle?

I would argue that Gunn went the way of Spider-Man, personally. Getting hired at Disney made him reconsider his public image. There's no indication that he wouldn't have kept right on doing what he was doing had Disney not taken the chance on him.

He was a nobody and kind of a shitty nobody, but then suddenly he became a somebody. And his shittiness as a nobody came up to bite him, and he was like, "Shit, if I'm going to be a somebody, I need to do better than this."

Gunn learned with his first controversy that with great public visibility, there must always come great self-awareness. To be fair, many famous people never seem to take that to heart the way he did.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 15th 2019 at 2:50:50 AM

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#98494: Mar 15th 2019 at 2:42:48 PM

(Is waiting for Roseanne Barr to tweet if this means ABC will hire her back soon)

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#98495: Mar 15th 2019 at 3:17:58 PM

Alright Gunn’s back, time to get ready for Guardians 3 & Adam Warlock.

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#98496: Mar 15th 2019 at 3:19:43 PM

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#98497: Mar 15th 2019 at 3:20:08 PM

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#98499: Mar 15th 2019 at 3:27:56 PM

Don't be too excited. If Gunn does Suicide Squad first it means that we will wait at least two years for the Got G movie.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98500: Mar 15th 2019 at 3:33:17 PM

I fail to see the problem.

I mean, I'm not planning on dying anytime soon [lol].


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