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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#98451: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:29:38 AM

YAY I get to be excited about GOG 3 again.

You are not alone.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#98452: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:31:55 AM

So if this is for real, then they bring him back to finish what he started.

I'm genuinely surprised. He did say those things, although he apparently apologized well before the comments became known (I think, it's a little confusing) which is more than most people would do. He realized on his own what awful things he said and all, but Disney is still associating with someone who's kinda drawing the wrong sort of attention, not just from right wing assholes, but possibly others who might object to his comments and don't need to be right wing assholes to do so.

The best he has going for him is positive word of mouth from people who've worked with him, which is a good thing. In these kind of situations, what others say about you is very helpful...provided they aren't also undergoing similar tragedies.

One Strip! One Strip!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98453: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:32:47 AM

I guess this was a combination of taking the time to figure out how much truly is to the story (after all, now nobody can accuse Disney of being careless about the accusations), gauging the landscape and, well, maybe they also tested out with Captain Marvel how deep the influence of those Trolls truly runs. Turns out: Not deep at all.

[up] The Tweets he apologized for were different from the ones which they dug up the second time around. Above all, they didn't contain any paedophelia jokes.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 15th 2019 at 11:34:01 AM

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#98454: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:33:53 AM

[up]The only reason the trolls didn't have much of an impact is that one of them didn't actively try to keep people from watching or enjoying it.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#98455: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:37:37 AM

By not hiring him back they're also feeding the trolls responsible for his firing in the first place. The trolls who dredged up his tweets are IMO the kinds of people who believe in the opinions he espoused there but unironically and to a worse degree. So whatever negative backlash they receive for rehiring is miniscule in comparison to letting those right-wing sickos "win".

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#98456: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:50:21 AM

They should have Gunn direct both Suicide Squad and Guardians in a Sony studio.

Just so it can be an equivalent of WCW vs WWF in an ECW building back in early 2000

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#98457: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:02:00 PM

Interestingly, the decision to bring him back was made months ago. There was never a true search for a replacement.

Which begs the question: did they actually not want this news to go public?

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#98458: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:02:48 PM

Gunn now works for DC and Marvel. All according to Keikaku.

Just Makima.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#98459: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:04:38 PM

Perhaps they waited because they didn't want the backdown to appear too sudden and thus look cowardly.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#98460: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:05:04 PM

[up]x3 - Apt metaphor especially considering the involvement of Batista in stumping for him.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98461: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:05:13 PM

I'll wait until further confirmation before I chime in with my opinion.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#98462: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:05:27 PM

Ha, that's amazing. They totally had this planned from the beginning. I love that the alt-right trolls win less than nothing from all of this. Fuck them.

Edited by LordVatek on Mar 15th 2019 at 3:06:51 PM

This song needs more love.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98464: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:10:08 PM

I suspect that they waited for a good moment to announce it. They couldn't have found a better time. Within the fandom, the Anti-SJW blew what little credibility they had, plus, they are currently all busy explaining away the box office of Captain Marvel, and outside of the fandom, well, I guess everyone is paying more attention to New Zealand. And within Disney the Fox merger is complete, so they don't have to worry over scandals anymore.

Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#98465: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:12:19 PM

[up][up][up]I doubt it was planned, per se. I think that Disney just didn't want to be put in a situation vis-a-vis Amazing Spider-Man series in that they couldn't figure how how to move the franchise on without Gunn.

Edited by Mario1995 on Mar 15th 2019 at 3:12:36 PM

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#98466: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:16:20 PM

Official statement from Gunn.

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#98467: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:17:23 PM

his actual twitter

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#98468: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:18:52 PM

[up]¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"The devil's got all the good gear. What's God got? The Inspiral Carpets and nuns. Fuck that." - Liam Gallagher
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#98469: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:18:59 PM

Batista was actually talking about this with Triple H on Raw. :V

Just Makima.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#98470: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:23:58 PM

The Tweets he apologized for were different from the ones which they dug up the second time around. Above all, they didn't contain any paedophelia jokes.

So, the Tweets he was fired over didn't contain the paedophelia? I've always been a bit confused on that.

So...on the one hand, we know Guardians will be in good hands...but...I mean, he said those things. He's apologized (though only for one set, so that means that you could argue he didn't for another unless you're generous), but is that enough? Is it sincere?

In this current climate, should we be allowing those things to stand. People are getting lambasted for far worse right now (deservedly so), but many are also getting away with it.

I really don't know how to feel about this. He's also getting so much support and I'm like...is this right?

One Strip! One Strip!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#98471: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:24:07 PM

[up]x9 That Disney was willing to humor the alt-right trolls even for a moment instead of giving them the amount of attention they deserved (aka nothing at all) is still too much. Although ultimately this is a net win for superhero movies in terms of DC now getting to have a known successful director like Gunn do a film for them.

[up]IIRC the tweets he apologized for had more to do with grotesque misogyny and homophobia than pedophilia.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 15th 2019 at 3:24:41 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#98472: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:26:04 PM

Ok. Which set came first, and do we assume when he apologized for one, he was also apologizing for the other?

Also, I believe he did that years before he was caught didn't he? Cause if he did it on his own that's a good thing cause he recognized his mistake and owned up to it.

One Strip! One Strip!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98473: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:26:43 PM

[up] The tweets he apologized for had more to do with grotesque misogyny and homophobia than paedophilia. The tweets he was fired over joked over paedophilia (and naturally he apologized for those, toom once they were dug up), but they were years old James Gunn used to be a so called edge-lord, but he stopped being one pretty much the moment Disney hired him. But I guess he deserves the benefit of the doubt just like everyone else does.

[up][up] Honestly, I prefer to have them overreact than just dismissing accusations.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 15th 2019 at 12:29:35 PM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#98474: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:28:20 PM

When Gunn was initially hired, a blog post surfaced where he ranked the Most F*ckable Superheroes. There were objections about a man who has documented lengthy and raunchy ideas about which superhero looks best in a thong - ideas peppered with misogynistic and homophobic jokes - being hired by Disney to direct an MCU film.

When this came to light, Gunn issued a public apology for the blog. This is what people are talking about when they say he's already apologized for controversial statements he made in the past.

The pedophilia jokes were uncovered more recently by Alt-Right trolls and had never been addressed prior. So he has apologized for his controversial jokes, but they were different, arguably less controversial jokes than the ones he came under fire for more recently. Does that make sense?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 15th 2019 at 1:28:56 PM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98475: Mar 15th 2019 at 12:29:51 PM

Considering how his reaction to the whole "scandal" was to simply graciously accept his resignation and move on, and the sheer output of love and support from the cast, I'm pretty sure the apologies were sincere.

The kind of person who does those kind of jokes is not the person who inspires that kind of loyalty.

Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 15th 2019 at 4:30:55 PM


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