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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#98426: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:35:27 AM

>: The Living Tribunal? Why him in particular.

Because story originally featured the abstract gods of the marvel universe and so far none of them have appeared,Endgame should feature at least one of them in some way

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#98427: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:36:38 AM

[up][up] I would find that to be... anti-climatic. It's like saying that Peter B. Parker and Gwen Stacy should remain behind with Miles Morales instead of going back to their home dimension, and then sacrifice themselves to save the multiverse. Heroic? Yes. Satisfying? No.

When you look at a character like Tony Stark, he has a life beyond being a superhero. A future wife, possibility of having kids, a company. His major flaw is that he feels personally responsible for protecting the world that he couldn't trust others to handle it without him. Always going back to being Iron Man to atone for his sins. To have Stark die would, in my opinion, permanently defeat the message that Iron Man 3 has. That Tony doesn't have to be stuck with Iron Man if he cannot continue.

Heroes do not have constantly sacrifice themselves for a glorious send-off. They could just retire, become mentors, find different careers, spend time with family. Stuff that is relatable to real life. That makes Marvel Marvel in many ways.

Edited by Shadao on Mar 15th 2019 at 8:38:19 AM

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#98428: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:38:50 AM

~Theokal3: Probably photoshopped. Honestly, the burden of proof is on them, not on you. If they can't convincingly make a point, you're under no obligation to argue it. If there really are shenanigans going on with user reviews, someone will report on it who does not have a blatant conflict of interest.

[up] I would be satisfied if Tony and Steve "retire" and get happy endings, rather than dying.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 15th 2019 at 11:39:52 AM

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#98429: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:39:35 AM

Tony has been bad at retiring so far even when he very much wants to

Steve has given no indication that he’d ever stop fighting and AOU implied he’d be afraid to

Thor needs to retire to help set up New Asgard so he’s good

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#98430: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:40:47 AM

Steve could go back in time to spend the rest of his life with Peggy. Tony could willingly pass the torch, knowing that the new Avengers have the Earth's back. It's not impossible.

Alternatively, Tony's injuries could finally catch up to him and force him to take disability. The films have made a consistent point of showing him dealing with the physical trauma of his lifestyle.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 15th 2019 at 11:41:46 AM

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#98431: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:41:47 AM

Game ending injury for Tony maybe

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#98432: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:41:54 AM

The movies won’t be able to retire them without explaining why they won’t be involved in further Marvel events. It’s going to look really weird if Galactus starts eating the moon but Tony’s just napping on the beach. Even with a game-ending injury he still has all his remote armors.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 15th 2019 at 8:42:46 AM

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#98433: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:42:55 AM

“Uh, Carol? Can you take care of this?”

“Alright but you owe me dinner for interrupting his”

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#98434: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:43:28 AM

Well, Stark Industries is still making tech for the Avengers. That could be replaced by Wakanda, I suppose, but just because Tony's not heroing doesn't mean he isn't contributing, and it would make for some good cameo opportunities.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98435: Mar 15th 2019 at 9:01:03 AM

I think it is possible to retire Tony. He is OLD. (at least he is really getting too old to fly around in an iron suit. He is constantly holding his left arm now). Retiring Cap is a little bit more difficult, but frankly, he deserves to "come home" finally.

I disagree that killing off Tony would undermine his arc at all. For one, Tony's arc is not about wanting to retire, it is about wanting to leave a positive legacy. And what could be more positive than rescuing half of the universe?

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 15th 2019 at 9:11:04 AM

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#98436: Mar 15th 2019 at 9:20:02 AM

I was thinking about the power of the Gauntlet. It destroyed half of all life in the galaxy, but does that affect non-sentient living things like plants? Were animals affected?

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#98437: Mar 15th 2019 at 9:20:38 AM

Word of God has said yes to both, IIRC.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
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#98438: Mar 15th 2019 at 9:28:12 AM

Which I personally think is dumb.

So you want to kill half of all live to preserve the other half...but then you erase half of all important resources as well?

What the hell gives?

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#98439: Mar 15th 2019 at 9:30:05 AM

hey its running on Thanos logic so of course it makes no sense

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98440: Mar 15th 2019 at 9:37:09 AM

So you want to kill half of all live to preserve the other half...but then you erase half of all important resources as well?

What the hell gives?

Thanos should have been more specific. It's a classic Monkey's Paw scenario.

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#98441: Mar 15th 2019 at 9:41:42 AM

I wonder if Thanos could have accidently wiped himself out too. Also, I wonder why the clothes of the people being dusted (i prefer that term) were wiped away too, probably because they wanted a more elaborate special effect than just people disappearing.

Edited by J79 on Mar 15th 2019 at 9:41:52 AM

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#98442: Mar 15th 2019 at 9:43:23 AM

Thanos is a stupid asshole trying to prove a point to a bunch of ghosts. He could do literally anything with the Infinity Gauntlet but he has to do exactly what he said would have worked on Titan so that all those dead people will know he's the smartest, bestest guy ever and they all should have listened to him.

Stupid grape pissbaby.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98443: Mar 15th 2019 at 9:47:50 AM

I am mostly sad that levi vanished with Doctor Strange. I kind of wanted to see an upset cloak in the team...

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#98445: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:13:05 AM

They rehired him?

Interesting

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98446: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:13:09 AM

Wait what? That's awesome news.

I mean, they will have to wait until he completes Suicide Squad 2, but that shouldn't be an issue. But I mean, this also means he's going to do a DC and Marvel film back to back.

I wonder what their source is?

Edited by alliterator on Mar 15th 2019 at 11:13:59 AM

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#98447: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:13:38 AM

Marvel and DC you say

Access movie when

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#98448: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:27:40 AM

On one hand, this is what they should've done months ago. It's probably the last time Gunn will be involved in the MCU, and chances are his ideas for Phase IV won't be implemented in the wake of the FOX deal shaking up those plans.

On the other hand, the right-wing is going to get real nasty in their smear campaign against the movie and Disney, even more so than Captain Marvel. Normally that wouldn't be a problem, but what if one the trolls have a gun?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#98449: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:28:28 AM

> but what if one the trolls have a gun?

Let's not to jump to panic stations to quickly.

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Mario1995 The Dishonorable from Atlanta Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Dishonorable
#98450: Mar 15th 2019 at 11:29:16 AM

Sorry. With the situation at New Zealand still fresh I couldn't resist.

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