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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#98401: Mar 15th 2019 at 2:11:03 AM

I just learned that the canon name for the Thanos Snap is The Decimation.

Congratulations Wanda, that word is no longer just associated with you. tongue

Edited by windleopard on Mar 15th 2019 at 2:11:17 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98402: Mar 15th 2019 at 2:12:30 AM

Which is wrong in both instances, because decimation means to reduce by 1/10th.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#98403: Mar 15th 2019 at 2:50:27 AM

I like to say I have seen every MCU movies in theatres, but that would be a fucking lie.

I remember first watching Iron Man on a bootleg dvd my father bought from a guy at a barber shop. It was still the mid 2000s, so of course sites illegally streme released movies weren’t a thing and 14 year ol me have no clue as to how torrents work. Hell I still think I have the very copy of the dvd stashed in the basement somewhere . . . I am a fucking idiot for regaling to you guys my history of piracy.

Point is, I basically watched ALL of the MCU films when they came out in theatres besides Iron Man, Civil War, Ragnarok, and Captain Marvel. So basically all the ones that have strong ties to the Thanos plot I pirated it.

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#98404: Mar 15th 2019 at 3:59:50 AM

Someone on twitter said that Carol was a better character than Steve and deserved to be in front of the Endgame poster instead of him. Does anybody here share that opinion?

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98405: Mar 15th 2019 at 4:04:55 AM

'Course not: Steve is one of the OG!Avengers, this is his goodbye to the franchise, Carol is a newcomer with little emotional stakes on Endgame.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#98406: Mar 15th 2019 at 4:12:21 AM

I like both of them so I'm not fond of them being pitted against each other like this! And also, this is gonna be the OG Avengers' last hurrah. Of course Steve is gonna be bigger on the poster.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#98407: Mar 15th 2019 at 4:23:59 AM

Okay Steve has been in like 6 movies, Carol only one.

Now I don't care how good your starter movie is, you don't suddenly get the leg up over the one whose got fucking history.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98408: Mar 15th 2019 at 4:26:52 AM

Yeah, this is most likely just another attempt to create resentment against Carol.

Naturally the OG Avengers have to be the focal point. The fans knows this, the writers knows this, and the marketing team knows this.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#98409: Mar 15th 2019 at 4:58:50 AM

I absolutely love Captain Marvel, and I would feel really weird about Carol getting front billing on the poster for Endgame. It's not her movie. This is our farewell to the Avengers that we've come to love over the past 11 years.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 15th 2019 at 7:59:26 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#98410: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:21:37 AM

I will admit, I don't get why people (and not just haters, but also people with moderate points of view) are genuinely worried that Captain Marvel will steal the spotlight and Curb-Stomp Thanos in Endgame. I mean, come on, guys, Marvel has shown before they knew better than that; they have given us three Avengers movies where they did a pretty decent job at balancing the spotlight between the various characters, why would they change that now? Besides, I doubt the movie will even be about defeating Thanos because 1) It's already been shown he can be beaten (Thor did almost killed him with Stormbreaker) and 2) That won't actually instantly fix everything. So I suspect the action will involve something else than just throwing a Zerg Rush at Thanos.

As for the whole poster thing.... yeah, Steve deserves the main spot. I mean, he is the leader of the Avengers. Besides, Carol will have plenty of opportunities to be in front when she takes over as the face of the MCU (Good luck to her by the way).

Edited by Theokal3 on Mar 15th 2019 at 1:24:36 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98411: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:38:42 AM

I don't think such a concern is completely invalid, as that is generally the biggest problem with OP characters, but I trust the Russo brothers, they have yet to dissapoint.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#98412: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:47:46 AM

They managed to keep Thor and Hulk out of the picture for most of Infinity War, and those were the most powerful heroes up until Captain Marvel.

If anybody has shown that they know how to balance a team of widely disparate strength, it's the Russos.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98413: Mar 15th 2019 at 5:50:02 AM

The concern with OP characters is more that it makes action scenes difficult to pull off. What the so called "Concerned fans" claim to be worried about is that Captain Marvel will steal the spotlight from everyone else...and you can bet that no matter how little she does, it will still be too much.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#98414: Mar 15th 2019 at 6:41:16 AM

I think it'll probably turn into more of a division of effort. Carol, Thor, Bruce, and Tony can be the brutes: confront the main force of the villains or go toe to toe with the Big Bad, while the other team members take the more subtle and/or covert aspects of the mission.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 15th 2019 at 9:46:28 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#98415: Mar 15th 2019 at 6:46:27 AM

Didn't notice this before, but someone caught Hawkeye has an ankle monitor on. I forgot he was likely under house arrest like Scott.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#98416: Mar 15th 2019 at 6:46:56 AM

Ooh, nice catch. It's very subtle, though.

Edit: That stinger is going to kick off a legion of Thor/Carol shippers, I just know it. She could do worse. Although with Chris Hemsworth on the way out, I don't think anything will come of it.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 15th 2019 at 9:53:31 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#98417: Mar 15th 2019 at 6:56:15 AM

What the so called "Concerned fans" claim to be worried about is that Captain Marvel will steal the spotlight from everyone else...and you can bet that no matter how little she does, it will still be too much.

Yeah it's kind of childish. "Feige said she's the most powerful character so she's just going to kill Thanos and the movie will be ruined forever." Not taking into account that "strong character defeats weak character because power ranking" is exactly the least interesting way to tell a story, so of course they're not gonna do that. Plus, I'm pretty sure that the point isn't just to beat Thanos, but to fix the Snap.

[up] I wonder if Scott's jealous that he actually gets to go outside during house arrest.

Edited by Pseudopartition on Mar 15th 2019 at 8:57:46 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#98418: Mar 15th 2019 at 7:08:34 AM

If Clint’s house arrest was as long as Scott’s it should have been over before the Snap

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98419: Mar 15th 2019 at 7:28:48 AM

Well, he would have to be allowed outside in order to help out on the farm

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#98420: Mar 15th 2019 at 7:30:40 AM

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Agreed.

I expect Carol to be a heavy-hitter, but given all the characters who were lost to the snap or to Thanos, the Avengers kind of need a new heavy-hitter. But undoing the snap is not necessarily something that can be accomplished with raw power.

Plus at the end of the day Carol is using part of the Space Stone's power...Thanos has all of the Infinity Stones. He might not be able to use them to their full potential given that the gauntlet is fried, but he was still able to use the space stone to teleport himself off Earth after the snap, so he can still use them.

Edited by Falrinn on Mar 15th 2019 at 10:30:51 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#98421: Mar 15th 2019 at 7:32:11 AM

I'm going back to my personal theory that Thanos isn't the real villain of Endgame. Not that I think we're getting a new Big Bad, but rather that the actual enemy will be the inevitability of what has happened: the struggle to change reality back to what it was against the push to move on.

The heroes will confront Thanos and he'll say, "I've done my work, you can't change it, the Gauntlet is busted, good luck."

I have an alternative theory that, rather than beat Thanos in combat, he'll somehow be persuaded to relent.

Of course, the trailer is teasing combat scenes, so this is probably not correct. We also have the comic book Infinity Gauntlet story line to consider, and Nebula's vendetta against Thanos is a major dangling plot thread. It's especially intriguing given that she survived the Snap. Is she going to get the Gauntlet like in the comics?

Some other possible angles... maybe the Gauntlet is fried, but we saw its prototype at Nidavellir. Is that going to come back into play?

There are so many ways this could go down.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 15th 2019 at 10:37:19 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98422: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:01:44 AM

To me, this is a two part problem. Yes, they have to reverse it, but they have also make sure that Thanos then doesn't turn up and does it AGAIN.

So, I suspect that the ones who suited up take care of the reverse, and the ones who didn't - which includes Carol and Thor - will take care of Thanos.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#98423: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:13:25 AM

Soooooo, you remember when I mentioned how some haters were arguing there had been fake positive reviews posted with bots from SJW to make the movie look more positive? I recently called out someone saying this for his bullshit, and he answered by telling me it had been proved and showing me a video with said "proof". The proof in question being screencaps of various reviews all saying exactly the same thing but done with different accounts.

Now, I am not expert in the matter, but I suppose this could easily be faked. Still wanted your opinion on that.

[down]The Living Tribunal? Why him in particular.

Edited by Theokal3 on Mar 15th 2019 at 4:16:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#98424: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:15:15 AM

I'm hoping for The Living Tribunal in Endgame personally

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98425: Mar 15th 2019 at 8:20:10 AM

I think that for them to undue the Snap, the original six Avengers will each have to wield an Infinity Stone. And they know it will kill them, so the last half of the movie is them basically having their last day on Earth...and then Cap and Tony decide, nope, no more dead friends, we're doing this on our own and they take the Infinity Stones and use them to undue the Snap and they both die. Or only Tony dies.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 15th 2019 at 8:20:44 AM


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