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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#98226: Mar 13th 2019 at 1:56:37 PM

Stop peeping my dreams, Sharknado!

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#98227: Mar 13th 2019 at 2:12:47 PM

Second the thought about Asgard or New Asgard or whatever movies being given over to Valkyrie

Thor has a lot of leadering to do and someone needs to pick up the slack of hitting things really hard

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#98228: Mar 13th 2019 at 2:13:23 PM

Nah, usually I have some clothes on in my dreams.

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MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#98229: Mar 13th 2019 at 2:35:59 PM

r.e. the review/comment/Marvel sux/Brie Larson is an evil man hater/'white men are the real victims' trolls: aren't these the guys that call anybody they disagree with "snowflakes looking for something to be offended about"? Often following up with a suggestion of suicide? Projection is a hell of a thing. Also, pot/kettle, etc.

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#98230: Mar 13th 2019 at 2:48:02 PM

[up]Projection and hypocrisy has always been what drives these people. Unfortunately every single film MCU film (and many others beyond it) that dares star someone who isn't a straight white cis man is a potential target for the kind of trolling and poisoning of the well that we've seen from CM.

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#98231: Mar 13th 2019 at 2:52:56 PM

As I pointed out before, no-one had a problem with the Captain America movies being political or with Chris Evans being a very outspoken liberal, and both of those have been going on for years, ever since the first Captain America movie. All the hate towards Brie Larson and Captain Marvel is due to misogyny, nothing more.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 13th 2019 at 3:06:09 AM

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#98232: Mar 13th 2019 at 3:37:44 PM

A lot of people on sites, i've noticed have stated Mallrats was the first non-Marvel cameo Stan Lee made in a film.

I came across this film called "The Ambulance" which was released in 1990.

Guess who shows up about 6 minutes in.

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#98233: Mar 13th 2019 at 4:06:54 PM

Do Guardians 3 have a director/writer yet? Whether Disney should rehire James Gunn or not, I hope they don't just straight-up scrap it.

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#98234: Mar 13th 2019 at 4:08:04 PM

They wont scrap it because the new director is..

Zack Snyder!

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#98235: Mar 13th 2019 at 4:33:01 PM

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Well, look at that.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98236: Mar 13th 2019 at 4:42:19 PM

Yeah...there is a reason why this particular Stan Lee role is coming up again.

Got G 3 is still on, but no new director yet.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 13th 2019 at 4:43:02 AM

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#98237: Mar 13th 2019 at 6:09:17 PM

As I pointed out before, no-one had a problem with the Captain America movies being political or with Chris Evans being a very outspoken liberal, and both of those have been going on for years, ever since the first Captain America movie. All the hate towards Brie Larson and Captain Marvel is due to misogyny, nothing more.

Here's the thing though: Chris Evans knows to keep his job and his politics separate. Also, the second and third captain America movies are partly political thrillers so it makes sense that they would have more visible political elements than the vast majority of marvel movies. Furthermore, all three films put the story and characters first with the politics serving to inform the story rather than be the story themselves.

Movies should be good in spite of their politics not because of them. Take the original SW movies for instance. you've noticed but the empire is sort of familiar. They remind me of a certain totallitarian regime but I can't quite put my finger on the name of it (I'm pretty sure it has to do with gathering sticks). However, the villains being stick gatherers aren't the most important part of the movie. The important part is the characters and the journey they go on

Edited by Invincibleasshole on Mar 13th 2019 at 6:20:06 AM

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#98238: Mar 13th 2019 at 6:26:57 PM

Why should they be good in spite of their "politics"? Why can't the fictional realm of superheroes be good because they tackle real world concerns and give us something to aspire to?

As for Namor in Doctor Strange, they, the Surfer, and Hulk, were the comics' Defenders team.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98239: Mar 13th 2019 at 6:28:36 PM

Here's the thing though: Chris Evans knows to keep his job and his politics separate.
So because Brie Larson used her fame in order to shine a light in the fact that the vast amount of reviewers/interviewers are white men makes her different from Chris Evans, who makes anti-Trump comments on Twitter nearly every day?

Actually, I do agree with that: it makes Brie Larson better, because she is actually using her celebrity to make changes, rather than just comment on things.

Also, Captain Marvel was a political movie.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 13th 2019 at 6:28:56 AM

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#98240: Mar 13th 2019 at 6:57:43 PM

So because Brie Larson used her fame in order to shine a light in the fact that the vast amount of reviewers/interviewers are white men makes her different from Chris Evans, who makes anti-Trump comments on Twitter nearly every day?

1. Her comments directly connect to her profession

2. I don't see why its a big deal why the vast majority are white men. Just why I wouldn't see it as a problem if the vast majority of reviewers were black women. All I care about is if they give the film a thumbs up or down and if they manage to get across the reasons as to why they like/didn't like a film in a clear concise way. If they happen to be primarily one group of people or another I don't give two shits.

3. Is she implying that these reviewers are prejudiced against women and minorities. The RT critic scores for Get Out, Fury Road, Wonder Woman, Star wars Episodes 7 and 8, Black Panther, Black K Klansmen, Spiderverse Crazy Rich Asians, Captain Marvel, do not support this claim (Disclaimer: I am not saying that critics only rated these films high because of women and minorities I'm just pointing out that their really isn't an anti woman or minority bias in film criticism.

Why should they be good in spite of their "politics"? Why can't the fictional realm of superheroes be good because they tackle real world concerns and give us something to aspire to?

If a movie wants to incorporate political subtext thats fine. The problem is that it creates an uneven picture. For example lets take Triumph of the Will. Now since (hopefully) none of us here are stick gatherers the political message is something we (hopefully) do not agree with. And with the political message gone what's left? Just some camera and editing tricks that were impressive at the time but are now so commonplace that they are unremarkable.

Edited by Invincibleasshole on Mar 13th 2019 at 6:58:05 AM

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#98241: Mar 13th 2019 at 7:02:53 PM

Chris Evans' uncle was a seated member of the US House of Representatives until November. I'm pretty sure they campaigned quite a lot. And Evans himself is quite outspoken before, during, and after movie releases. Why is he seen in a more positive light than her? Why don't people whine that he's "being political" as much?

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Mar 13th 2019 at 9:12:34 AM

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#98242: Mar 13th 2019 at 7:04:07 PM

Are we seriously comparing Captain Marvel to Triumph of the Will...

If they happen to be primarily one group of people or another I don't give two shits.

You don’t care because it doesn’t affect you. If 90% of reviewers had disabilities, their reviews on movies wouldn’t affect abled people much, because in most facets of society disabled people do not hold widespread influential power. But when 90% of reviewers are non-disabled, and they get to review all the movies about disabled people like me, their opinion on what is “valid” and “ invalid” for lives they haven’t experienced very much affects society and thus my own life.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Mar 13th 2019 at 7:05:24 AM

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#98243: Mar 13th 2019 at 7:06:04 PM

[up][up] Huh didn’t know that about his uncle.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98244: Mar 13th 2019 at 7:07:27 PM

2. I don't see why its a big deal why the vast majority are white men.
Because there's a huge lack of diversity and diverse critics often have diverse opinions. Imagine if every critic for Black Panther was white.

Is she implying that these reviewers are prejudiced against women and minorities.
No, she isn't. See above what what she was actually talking about.

The RT critic scores for Get Out, Fury Road, Wonder Woman, Star wars Episodes 7 and 8, Black Panther, BlacKkKlansmen, Spiderverse Crazy Rich Asians, Captain Marvel, do not support this claim
The RT critic score is not the same thing as an actual critic.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 13th 2019 at 7:07:43 AM

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#98245: Mar 13th 2019 at 7:14:49 PM

BuzzFeed Celeb: Brie Larson Plays With Puppies While Answering Fan Questions

It's about as clickbait a video as you can get, but it's still really enjoyable, not to mention adorable. She does a great job deflecting the question about Endgame.

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#98247: Mar 13th 2019 at 7:32:15 PM

Apparently the "plays with puppies while answering questions" thing is a recurring bit on BuzzFeed Celeb. Who knew? Well, I know, because my YT feed is now showing me more of them. [lol]

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#98248: Mar 13th 2019 at 7:35:09 PM

So will mine.

Not that I'm complaining, but couldn't they do a version with kitties, too?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98249: Mar 13th 2019 at 7:36:19 PM

So here's something: with the sequel movies, should Marvel title with them numbers (a la the Iron Man trilogy) or with subtitles (a la the Captain America and Thor trilogies)? And if the subtitles, which subtitles would you like? Or should they go with a slight variation of the name, a la Ant-Man and Ant-Man and the Wasp?

For Doctor Strange, it would be cool to have it called Doctor Strange: The Oath or Doctor Strange: Blood in the Aether. And if they decide to include Doom, they could even make it Doctor Strange: Triumph and Torment.

For Black Panther, I would love it to be called Black Panther: Enemy of the State or Black Panther: Love and War.

For Captain Marvel, probably Captain Marvel: War of the Marvels or Captain Marvel: Down.

Edited by alliterator on Mar 13th 2019 at 7:37:06 AM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#98250: Mar 13th 2019 at 7:41:21 PM

Frankly, I'll give them that, Brie Larson's comment WAS a bit clumsy, though I do agree she has a point to some extent. However, I find it absolutely ridiculous to say she was offensive toward white males (I am a white male myself and I honestly don't feel offended by that comment), and regardless that in no way justifies the completely petty and over the top hate campaign against a movie that wasn't even related to this interview.

Edited by Theokal3 on Mar 13th 2019 at 4:07:42 PM


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