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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#98051: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:50:07 AM

It's unlocked.

@Swanpride: Which pushback against Cinemasin? I don't think I have followed this.

Edited by Theokal3 on Mar 11th 2019 at 7:08:25 PM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#98052: Mar 11th 2019 at 11:24:58 AM

Those people actually know each other. They sometimes do videos together which are about taking apart the work of other youtubers. It's a new kind of venue which grew out of the pushback against Cinemasins I am split about...on the one hand, it makes really sense to take apart badly argued videos and explain why they are badly argued. On the other hand, there have been more and more dishonest players who don't take apart bad arguments anymore but simply attack people they happen to disagree with. Not surprisingly, the group did a whole string of videos which are about taking apart videos of people who enjoyed The Last Jedi.

What we see there is actually a network of youtuber which feed each other their talking points and draw young youtubers which don't know better into their circles.

I feel like that evolution was as inevitable as anarchy turning into feudalism.

The "Umm, ACTUALLY" crowd is built on a simple premise: I understand the topic of discussion better than you do, and I want my turn to speak so that I can explain why your stupid opinions are stupid and you suck. It's a habit built on a feeling of intellectual superiority.

That a lot of people who insist that they're smarter than everyone else wind up being assholes is. Like. It's not a new thing. In other news, the sky is blue.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 11th 2019 at 12:26:28 PM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#98053: Mar 11th 2019 at 11:43:49 AM

The ol’ Dunning-Kruger Effect strikes again.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98054: Mar 11th 2019 at 11:59:13 AM

The "Umm, ACTUALLY" crowd is built on a simple premise: I understand the topic of discussion better than you do, and I want my turn to speak so that I can explain why your stupid opinions are stupid and you suck. It's a habit built on a feeling of intellectual superiority.
If you guys have seen Captain Marvel, you'll know that there's a character in it that practically screams "DEBATE MEEEE!" I find it funny that the movie these trolls are against has one of the very best responses to them.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#98055: Mar 11th 2019 at 12:00:58 PM

[up]And of course they will accuse the movie of having done a strawman agains them.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#98056: Mar 11th 2019 at 12:05:58 PM

Just another crowd of people not worth anyone's time viewing.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#98057: Mar 11th 2019 at 12:17:49 PM

[up][up] That's assuming they care enough about being accurate to actually check what the movie contains without being told about it.

Edited by Dirtyblue929 on Mar 11th 2019 at 12:18:01 PM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#98058: Mar 11th 2019 at 12:41:13 PM

The "Umm, ACTUALLY" crowd...

I'm no stranger to feeling intellectually superior. In fact, I've gotten in trouble for it, and one of the ways I've learned to converse politely is to cleanly separate facts from my opinions about the facts, and things I know from things I believe. I can't say I'm perfect at it, but I don't make YT videos so I can act smugly condescending to everyone on the Internet.

I also would never make a "review" of a work without having actually seen it.

Speaking from my perspective, people who feign intellectual superiority in order to talk down to people that they disagree with are the lowest scum in the sewage pond.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 11th 2019 at 3:44:43 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
lvthn13 Since: Dec, 2009
#98059: Mar 11th 2019 at 1:18:40 PM

Saw it yesterday. It's alright, pretty much right down the middle for an MCU movie.

Three gripes, though:

1) The 90s references were beyond shallow. Oh look, there's SFII, hey anyone remember the Pumpkins and Nirvana? All pop culture references that could be picked up by people born in 2005, nothing that actually makes anyone who was alive then remember anything and smile. For the most part you could completely forget that it was in the 90s, except...

2) That soundtrack. Did this feel like a grungy movie to anyone? It didn't to me, but the soundtrack is grungy as fuck. There were plenty of scenes where 90s rap or metal or industrial would have been much more appropriate, but they largely skipped those genres. To top that off, they let the lyrics play right over the movie; this worked really well in Got G and fell flat on its face here, sometimes deflating scenes entirely. Possibly because the music never matches the scene.

3) I'll just say it: Carol Danvers has a weak character arc. She starts off strong but undisciplined, continues to be strong but undisciplined, hit a tiny speed bump when she's temporarily detained by an extremely unthreatening AI which she overcomes with ease and never feels especially imperiled by, unlocks some true power without particularly developing as a character and kicks everyone's ass, unlocks MORE true power and kicks eye-rolling amounts of ass, and that's it, roll credits.

This movie is easily the most blatant power fantasy of any MCU film, giving it a rather juvenile tone more like Ant Man & the Wasp or Spiderman Homecoming.

On the upside, that cat! What a sweet little kitty! I would buy tickets to Goose: the Cuddliest Avenger.

Edited by lvthn13 on Mar 11th 2019 at 1:24:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#98060: Mar 11th 2019 at 1:26:06 PM

Okay sorry for bringing this back to a topic from a couple threads ago (I just woke up) but figured the current topic is sad enough to warrant some change.

The current Mortal Kombat games have a great story. Their basically multi-hour cinematic high-budget movies with a lot of cool & touching moments like Scorpion & Sub-Zero finally ending their rivalry in an extremely heartwarming & touching moment.

Plus most of the characters are playable in the story mode. Sure the same can't be said for the villains barring Kotal Khan, at least most of the cast does something compared to Tekken 7 (where out of 20+ characters it just focuses entirely on the 3 Mishimas) or from what I heard Dead or Alive (where its just the ninjas that do stuff the important stuff).

Mortal Kombat has like the best story in fighting games now & that's not a Damned by a Faint Praise compliment, its a genuine compliment.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#98061: Mar 11th 2019 at 1:33:51 PM

She starts off strong but undiscipline

No, the Kree tell her she's undisciplined as a mean to control her.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98062: Mar 11th 2019 at 1:37:15 PM

[up][up]We probably have a Mortal Kombat thread somewhere in the fora, you know?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#98063: Mar 11th 2019 at 1:39:37 PM

[up] Humor me, I'm sorta still in a daze from waking up in the middle of that day.

....... Jesus I gotta finish that non-fiction portfolio before tomorrow.

I am writing a 2,000 word paper about me wanting to be a crocodile to escape from the difficulties of human life BTW. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98064: Mar 11th 2019 at 1:45:33 PM

...I'll just assume it's still morning where you live, for I like to believe all Tropers are responsible and productive members of society. [lol]

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#98065: Mar 11th 2019 at 3:39:50 PM

Random detail I just became aware of through re-watching Civil War.

During the big fight where they all run at each other (I thought we had a trope for that; Not quite Mirrored Confrontation Shot, but the actual running bit), we see Spiderman start a few steps behind Black Widow, but slowly start pulling ahead of her before the scene cuts out: a subtle reminder of the fact that he's flat out super human. It's very easy to miss too.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98066: Mar 11th 2019 at 4:38:01 PM

Back from seeing Captain Marvel...and I loved it. But oh boy, I can see the Anti-SJW losing their sh... over it. Oddly some men seem to have trouble to pick up on it (at least the ones with whom I watched the movie didn't really notice), but the meta text of the movie IS unashamedly feminist.

I also now get why the reviews are all over the place. The movie wasn't really what I expected and if I were bothered by something like this, I might have been disappointed. But then, I like the unexpected.

Can't wait to see more of Carol. (I think the aspect I loved the most is how much agency she had).

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 11th 2019 at 4:40:42 AM

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#98067: Mar 11th 2019 at 4:49:27 PM

The metatext is definitely feminist, but it's subtle enough that if these people weren't looking for reasons to be upset, they would never notice it. Again, it's definitely there, but this isn't anywhere near as explicitly feminist as Wonder Woman (2017), which had many male characters looking down on Diana for being female only to be quickly proven wrong.

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lvthn13 Since: Dec, 2009
#98068: Mar 11th 2019 at 5:14:54 PM

The movie is several orders of magnitude less feminist than the Alien series, which didn't garner half the controversy. At least, not for Ripley's sake.

Somethin' wrong with kids these days.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98069: Mar 11th 2019 at 5:19:24 PM

The biggest problem with the Internet is that it gave voice to people that have absolutely nothing to say.

Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 11th 2019 at 9:19:38 AM

lvthn13 Since: Dec, 2009
#98070: Mar 11th 2019 at 5:26:27 PM

No, the biggest problem with the internet is that the rest of the world feels obligated to respond to it. Stupid people with stupid opinions always existed and always will, but nobody felt any need to listen to their garbage.

Just my two cents, but this movie created a feedback loop. Assholes with bad opinions screamed loudly, and the people involved with the movie actually played into it. You know what they say about wrestling with pigs.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98071: Mar 11th 2019 at 5:32:07 PM

But it was by ignoring these people that they grew this large and loud.

If you leave a big cut alone, it tends to fester and rot, same deal: if we had bothered to shut down stuff like 4chan early, perhaps they wouldn't have the reach they have now.

Or maybe they would, after all, maybe they were always there but didn't have an outlet for their venomous opinions, and more to the point couldn't get in touch with each other and organize.

Regardless, ignoring them isn't gonna make them go away.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98072: Mar 11th 2019 at 5:32:22 PM

[up][up][up][up] It really isn't… it is basically "feminism the movie" and I love it for it.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 11th 2019 at 5:32:37 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98073: Mar 11th 2019 at 5:33:39 PM

The movie is several orders of magnitude less feminist than the Alien series, which didn't garner half the controversy.
The movie is super feminist. It's not even subtle about it. I'm not sure how you could see the movie without noticing the feminist themes.

lvthn13 Since: Dec, 2009
#98074: Mar 11th 2019 at 5:34:54 PM

The movie is super feminist. It's not even subtle about it. I'm not sure how you could see the movie without noticing the feminist themes.

I mean, you managed to quote me and yet completely misinterpret what I said, so I think you could sympathize.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#98075: Mar 11th 2019 at 5:35:18 PM

> a subtle reminder of the fact that he's flat out super human

I'd say he's more mutant then super human

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