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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#98026: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:09:49 AM

And what about Antman,no one seems to care about him

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98027: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:11:50 AM

Well, he tends to keep a low profile.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#98028: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:12:04 AM

~Hallow Hawk:

There was when I saw it. It made watching the mid-credits scene all the more chilling.
Was it the one we've already seen, with Tony adrift in space? I keep expecting them to drop a new one, especially now that Captain Marvel has set the stage.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#98029: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:12:39 AM

[up][up][up] The Endgame trailer Ant-Man is the best Ant-Man.

No really, people care more about him there than in his own movies. And i guess he was fun too in Civil War.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Mar 11th 2019 at 12:12:55 PM

Uni cat
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#98030: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:15:30 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it: I like all the Marvel heroes. There is not a single one of them that I could legitimately say that I "don't care about". That doesn't mean that I want to see them all on screen together in every single film: there would be no room for them to grow or have arcs if that happened.

What I do mean, however, is that I will not dismiss any of the MCU films as "not worth seeing", since each brings something fun and interesting to the table.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#98031: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:15:46 AM

I saw a few people get out of Civil War and go "well, I wasn't really interested in the Ant-Man movie so I didn't watch it, but this makes me want to."

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#98032: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:29:58 AM

at least according to the website We Got It Covered, there's a chance that the Netflix shows will migrate to Hulu or FX. They just have to wait two years...and hope that the actors have room in their schedules...and Marvel TV has money in its budget.

Oh.

grin -fingers crossed- They cannot leave Luke Cage with the ending it had.

Wait, why two years? Is that when some license runs out?

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#98033: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:36:43 AM

The deal with Netflix is that Marvel can't use those characters at all for two years after the cancellation of the Netflix series. This is the first I'm hearing about the shows themselves migrating (since iirc the shows still belong to Netflix), as apposed to Marvel simply making new shows with the characters in a couple years, though.

That said, I'd presonally prefer it if instead of putting them back into TV shows that the film series will inevitably ignore, we get a New Avengers movie adaptation (so Luke, Iron Fist, Jessica, Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Wolverine...).

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#98034: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:46:44 AM

This is the first I'm hearing about the shows themselves migrating (since iirc the shows still belong to Netflix), as apposed to Marvel simply making new shows with the characters in a couple years, though.
Jeph Loeb (who is in charge of Marvel TV) did say that they would return "in one form or another." So perhaps we'll get an anthology style show called Marvel Knights or something.

[up] Getting a New Avengers film with the same actors would be amazing, but considering that Marvel Studios doesn't really have the inclination to connect to Marvel TV, I'm not sure they would do it. Plus, they might not like advertising for the seasons on Netflix or they might want to keep those properties R-rated, which the movies aren't.

But it would still be awesome if they do.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#98035: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:48:03 AM

[up][up][up][up]

Was it the one we've already seen, with Tony adrift in space? I keep expecting them to drop a new one, especially now that Captain Marvel has set the stage.

Yes. That trailer showed. My apologies for how I responded to your original comment. I just noticed that you didn't get a trailer while I saw the usual one when I saw Captain Marvel three nights ago.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#98036: Mar 11th 2019 at 8:50:13 AM

If they stay in TV, I wouldn't mind if they stopped being R rated across the board. Like, Jessica and Punisher I could see staying R rated because of their more adult subject matter. But literally the only thing that kept Luke Cage Season 2 R rated were shoehorned in sex scenes.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98037: Mar 11th 2019 at 9:16:00 AM

Frankly, I think that the shows needed to get retooled anyway. They had grown stale. We will see.

And if they never turn up again, at least they didn't leave us on a cliffhanger like Agent Carter did.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#98038: Mar 11th 2019 at 9:57:47 AM

Checked the Geek + Gamers video about the "problem with Captain Marvel's success". The guy had the guts to say he hoped the movie would have a huge drop on the second week, and then to say the people who supported the movie and gave it good reviews were "not real fans", but SJW who just attached to supporting whatever suitted their political views to then move to the next.

Such bad faith is disgusting.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#98039: Mar 11th 2019 at 9:59:18 AM

I swear to god, playing find the misogynist is like Where’s Waldo except Waldo is holding a giant sign that says HERE I AM.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98040: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:04:42 AM

First class bullshitters have a video about how Captain Marvel ruined the track record of the MCU. I did NOT click on it because I know it is BS anyway.

[up][up] Thankfully "real fans" know that this isn't true because they are at places like here properly geeking out at each other. I can't wait to join you.

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 11th 2019 at 10:05:52 AM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#98041: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:09:16 AM

I did NOT click on it because I know it is BS anyway.

And that instantly makes you smarter than me. I need to stop checking these videos out of curiosity.

And thank you^^ I can't wait to see this movie and stop worrying about the haters.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98042: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:13:50 AM

[up] Hard learned lesson. I clicked on one of those and got flooded with this BS for the last two months. Thankfully Youtube as adjusted the algorithm now.

When will you be able to watch it?

Edited by Swanpride on Mar 11th 2019 at 10:15:00 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#98043: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:14:03 AM

I took one look over Geeks + Gamers' channel and that's all I really needed. It's basically all toxic punditry and misinformation. Before latching onto Captain Marvel, he was one of those people who said similar things about Star Wars.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#98044: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:18:08 AM

Sometimes I want to click on some of the videos out of morbid curiosity, but these folks are just screaming for someone to pay attention to them and I don't feel like giving them the validation of higher view counts.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98045: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:23:24 AM

Yeah, I don't want them to make money off me either.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#98046: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:27:56 AM

@Swanpride: I will try to hold to that lesson as well. And I don't know yet when I will be able to see the movie; I am trying to see it with my girlfriend (she is a Khamala Khan fan), and we're still discussing both the cinema and the day.

@Known Unknown: Yeah, I am starting to realize that. At first I thought these people might just be Star Wars fans who had legitimate points, but the more I saw about their videos the more I realized how wrong I was.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#98047: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:29:01 AM

Shit's always been around in some form or another I think but I feel like recently there's been a lot more dodgy YT channels by full-on or borderline GG'ers and/or 4chan edgelords. They get into my recommended feed sometimes and it's gross.

When you put things in context, it just becomes more and more pathetic. After god knows how many films with male protagonists, one film about a woman is enough to make them unravel.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#98048: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:29:38 AM

There's this channel called Dishonoured Wolf that (aside from his tone of voice being unbearable to listen to) I just know would make some cringy anti-Captain Marvel video not dissimilar to Geeks + Gamers or whoever tf they are. I've stopped paying any attention to these sorts of channels and haven't looked back.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98049: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:37:27 AM

Those people actually know each other. They sometimes do videos together which are about taking apart the work of other youtubers. It's a new kind of venue which grew out of the pushback against Cinemasins I am split about...on the one hand, it makes really sense to take apart badly argued videos and explain why they are badly argued. On the other hand, there have been more and more dishonest players who don't take apart bad arguments anymore but simply attack people they happen to disagree with. Not surprisingly, the group did a whole string of videos which are about taking apart videos of people who enjoyed The Last Jedi.

What we see there is actually a network of youtuber which feed each other their talking points and draw young youtubers which don't know better into their circles.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#98050: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:39:03 AM

Ugh, not gonna be able to watch CM this month.

Might as well spoil myself now, I suppose.

BTW, did the YMMV page got locked yet? I really don't want to eat that onion...


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