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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yep. After he returned the money they stole back to their customers. Scott could have gotten away with it if he had just left it at that, but he couldn't resist inflicting a more personal revenge on his boss.
That was Scott's main flaw — he liked the thrill of being a Robin Hood like figure fighting back against The Man.
That said, his arc in the movie isn't really about overcoming this. He had already mostly outgrown it while in prison. His backslide into theft is due more to shortsighted desperation after doing the math and realizing he wouldn't be able to see Cassie for years. After which he is then drawn into Hank and Hope's family drama which showcases his more mature side.
Edited by M84 on Mar 11th 2019 at 4:19:07 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedIt's what makes MCU!Scott one of my favourite characters - he doesn't really see himself as any kind of hero, he's literally a dude who made mistakes but by and large just wants to do the right thing. Even after Civil War he was happy to serve his term of house arrest fair and square.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."The reason he lost that job is also pretty sympathetic, though still a mistake on his part. There's a strong stigma against hiring ex-convicts (for that matter there's also a stigma against accepting ex-convicts into college). If Scott had been honest about being an ex-con, he might not have gotten even that Baskin-Robbins job. Come to think of it, that's why he was working at Baskin-Robbins. Every time he was honest about being an ex-convict, he failed to get the job. No tech company would hire him. Possibly because they were concerned he might try to pull a Robin Hood act on them if he found out their dirty secrets.
This is the MCU after all. It's presumably rather difficult to find a big tech corporation that is more or less on the up and up and not secretly HYDRA or something. Maybe it's not as bad as the mainstream Marvel comics verse, where damn near every big corporation is up to some supervillain bullshit, but still.
Edited by M84 on Mar 11th 2019 at 6:28:58 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThat is the problem: he lied about his status. That'll get you fired from 99% of jobs, and the ones it doesn't get you fired from are probably fronts for organized crime.
Anyway, I think we've proven that dramatic character development is not necessary or even desirable in all MCU films. Which makes the insistence of some of these YouTube folks that Carol should have had it all the more absurd.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 11th 2019 at 6:38:47 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I believe I said it before, but the problem is a lot of prople mix up Character Development with Character Progression.
To develop a character is to show how it tick, why it acts the way it does, etc, you don't need to change how a character acts to do that.
Edit: One more thing: I love Time Travel stories and therefore would gladly welcome Kang as our new Evil Overlord.
Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 11th 2019 at 8:04:27 AM
I'm not happy with time travel in major works either, and I hope Endgame doesn't overdo it. The Time Stone's version at least seems to be constrained by certain rules.
I want to avoid major spoilers, but Carol does go through an emotional arc over the course of Captain Marvel. She starts out trying to emulate the Kree ideal of emotionless reason, but can't resist snarking at everything and displays a tendency towards recklessness. She starts to doubt her self-image when she finds evidence of her past life on Earth, then goes through a process of discovery and revelation, and comes out of it more... natural. Like she's not constantly fighting against herself. We also find out a lot about her as a person along the way.
That's as "developed" as I've seen any recent superhero.
EXACTLY. But there is also the classic Quest for Identity going on.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 11th 2019 at 7:20:03 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Honestly, without seeing the movie, just the fact that it is about discovering identity puts her on the same level of character development Moana has by default. And that is more than enough for me.
Count me in as not liking time travel plots usually. Ao S handled them very well, but overall the inconsistent logic in them tends to give me a headache.
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Yes. The other thing about Carol is that she's basically a whole person already. She doesn't have to learn not to be an asshole, like Tony (for example). She doesn't have to grow up from a childish state of mind (like Peter). She doesn't have a secret identity to protect. She was a normal, well-balanced individual before she got her powers. What followed messed with her head in a number of ways, and her quest is to recover her past and therefore her wholeness.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 11th 2019 at 7:25:16 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I loved the bit in the first Young Avengers comics story where the characters complained about Kang and Time Travel.
- Jessica Jones: Is this a time travel thing? 'Cause I hate time travel things.Tony Stark: If it's Kang, it's a time travel thing.Jessica Jones: See. That's why I hate Kang.
Edited by M84 on Mar 11th 2019 at 7:27:24 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedIt’s not really convoluted, it’s just an excuse to have old versions of characters interacting with their changed versions & then going back to whoever they came from unchanged for the most part.
Like arms dealer Tony Stark meeting modern day Tony Stark.
Edited by slimcoder on Mar 11th 2019 at 4:32:18 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."You mean like the first Injustice game? Netherrealm is certainly sticking to the "write what you know" rule, at least.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 11th 2019 at 7:33:18 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"That sort of thing is best played for comedy if at all. Like in the World of Warcraft quests where you can either go in the past or the future, and both the Past You and Future You insult you. Especially if you play both quests back-to-back.
At the very least, it would be kind of funny to see Iron Man Tony beat the shit out of Arms Dealer Tony.
Edited by M84 on Mar 11th 2019 at 7:36:54 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised![]()
The main antagonist of 11 is a Time/Dimension God upset at the changes made during the games reboot.
To combat the heroes she is recruiting an army of various past versions of characters from across time & dimensions.
It helps that the game has a gear system allowing for character customization so ya can get the same character to look very different from each other.
Edited by slimcoder on Mar 11th 2019 at 4:37:12 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I don't dislike time travel stories (if they are done well), but also Kang's the Big Bad of one of my favorite Avengers stories of all time: The Kang War.
Edited by alliterator on Mar 11th 2019 at 1:12:33 AM