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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97951: Mar 10th 2019 at 2:56:22 PM

When your in so many movies it is kinda hard to develop in each of them.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97952: Mar 10th 2019 at 3:06:04 PM

[up][up]I haven't watched the movie yet, I woupdn't know tongue

Besides, how well a xharacter is developed is YMMV anyway, I've seen plenty of critics who think none of the characters in the MCU is well-developed. Let's not go into Opinion Myopia here.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#97953: Mar 10th 2019 at 3:12:55 PM

Question: Are the shows canon to the movies in the strictest sense? I know the movies can't really reference them, but are they technically still canon?

Leviticus 19:34
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#97954: Mar 10th 2019 at 3:15:11 PM

I think they're supposed to be, but the movies don't really care about the canon of the shows whatsoever and will gladly contradict it without a second thought.

Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#97955: Mar 10th 2019 at 3:15:43 PM

I personally consider them canon.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#97959: Mar 10th 2019 at 3:35:32 PM

get your own powers Rogue

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97960: Mar 10th 2019 at 10:23:02 PM

Independent from the MCU, this obsession with Character development You Tube critics tend to have is nonsense. Yes, a satisfying character arc is a plus in a story. But it is by far not the only way to construct a narrative and not even necessarily the best one.

Ie: What is the character arc in Psycho? There isn't one, or, to put it differently, the very point of the movie is to interrupt which looks like a developing character arc to throw the audience out of balance. What is the character arc in Snow White or Fantasia? Again, there isn't one, it is all about the emotional experience. What is the character development in the first Back to the Future movie? There is some for Marty's father, but none for Marty himself. It is only in the sequels that there is something like an arc for him. And those are the examples off the top of my mind.

In the case of Steve, his worth is exactly in the fact that he doesn't change all that much. No matter what, he will always be the moral paragon. But that doesn't make his struggle to keep to those ideals in a world which usually scoffs at them less interesting.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#97961: Mar 10th 2019 at 10:24:47 PM

In the case of Steve, his worth is exactly in the fact that he doesn't change all that much. No matter what, he will always be the moral paragon.
Yeah, that's kind of the whole point of TFA: that when he gets power, he doesn't change, he stays who he is, a good man.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97962: Mar 10th 2019 at 10:30:53 PM

Also, in an universe as vast as the MCU, you need to test out as many different approaches to story-telling as possible. Or, to put it differently: Not every character can be some sort of overgrown child which needs to grow the f... up, no matter how popular this particular kind of "arc" is.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#97963: Mar 10th 2019 at 10:40:11 PM

Yeah, exactly. "Manchild learns lesson on how to be a better person" is something we've seen, what, four times now? Iron Man, Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Ant-Man.

I'm glad T'Challa had a story arc that was different — it wasn't him changing who he was, but changing his views on how open Wakanda should be. Same with Carol — she doesn't change who she is, she just remembers how strong she is and stands up.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97964: Mar 10th 2019 at 10:58:16 PM

[up] Five. There is also Doctor Strange.

MrTerrorist Since: Aug, 2009
#97965: Mar 10th 2019 at 11:06:55 PM

Edit: Moved question to Captain Marvel thread.

Edited by MrTerrorist on Mar 10th 2019 at 11:38:09 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97966: Mar 10th 2019 at 11:10:29 PM

[up] Take that to the Captain Marvel Spoiler discussion, please. This kind of question is bound to spoil something by accident.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#97967: Mar 10th 2019 at 11:38:48 PM

[up][up][up][up]TBF, Scott Lang wasn't really a manchild who needed to grow up. He was already set on trying to be a responsible dad to Cassie. Unlike the rest, he was never really a jackass.

The ones who really do some belated growing up in that movie are Hank and Hope.

Edited by M84 on Mar 11th 2019 at 2:41:00 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97968: Mar 10th 2019 at 11:51:07 PM

It should be noted that Scott was more a “desperate man with no options”. I mean really, besides being jokey he’s a pretty responsible guy.

He did actually find lawful employment at Basket & Robins only to get fired cause he didn’t tell them he was a convict.

There’s also the fact that his theft against Pym was engineered by Pym himself. He maybe could have found another job if Pym hadn’t enacted his plans to get to him.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 10th 2019 at 11:52:04 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#97969: Mar 10th 2019 at 11:53:56 PM

Even his stint in prison was due to him trying to do the right thing by exposing his corrupt superiors' crimes. Too bad he used theft as his method. He stole the money they had been stealing from customers so he could funnel that money back to the customers.

That's pretty much the sole way he's a manchild — he wants to do the right thing, but he has a preference for more exciting and outrageous ways to do it.

Edited by M84 on Mar 11th 2019 at 2:55:57 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97970: Mar 11th 2019 at 12:04:10 AM

It’s rather interesting, his lackadaisical mannerisms gives you the impressions that he’s childish & unintelligent.

While the Pym’s serious nature’s along with with their more visibly obvious intelligence gives them the impression that they are more mature than they actually are.

Even in the first movie Scott was able to pick apart Hank’s reasons for choosing. Scott’s a hell of a lot more wiser than Hank & Hope are that’s for sure.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 11th 2019 at 12:04:54 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#97971: Mar 11th 2019 at 12:07:36 AM

At the very least, Scott's a better dad than Hank. Hank really borked up when it came to Hope following Janet vanishing.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#97972: Mar 11th 2019 at 1:01:16 AM

Sooooo, I apologize in advance if that topic has already been discussed, but seeing how we're reaching the climax of the Infinity Stones arc, who do you think will be the new villains in future phases? Personally, I don't know how they will top themselves after this. Galactus, maybe.

Edited by Theokal3 on Mar 11th 2019 at 9:01:37 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#97973: Mar 11th 2019 at 1:05:09 AM

There are a few choices, especially since Marvel will now own the FF/X-Men villains, too.

  1. Galactus
  2. Annihilus
  3. Dr. Doom
  4. Kang the Conqueror

And, if they want to continue their exchange with Sony and Spider-Man, they could even use Norman Osborn as a Earth-centric villain, as opposed to cosmic villains. A Dark Reign movie or a Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers film with him in it would be fascinating.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#97974: Mar 11th 2019 at 1:09:12 AM

Oh please not Kang. Kang's thing is Time Travel, and I hate Time Travel stories.

If Doctor Strange becomes a more prominent character I kind of hope Shuma-Gorath becomes a major villain.

Edited by M84 on Mar 11th 2019 at 4:11:09 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#97975: Mar 11th 2019 at 1:11:54 AM

TBF, Scott Lang wasn't really a manchild who needed to grow up.

Keep in mind the reason Scott got caught was because he broke into his boss's house and stole his car which he crashed into a pool.


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