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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97926: Mar 10th 2019 at 11:02:04 AM

Well, with 455 Million worldwide on the first weekend, it is safe to say that Captain Marvel already made the budget back and can be considered a success. My prediction is still at 800 Million, but, as I said, I wouldn't be surprised if it makes even more, even if the reviews are slightly mixed.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#97927: Mar 10th 2019 at 11:04:55 AM

[up][up][up]Clark Gregg is still awesome^^ Well-said.

Edited by Theokal3 on Mar 10th 2019 at 7:05:11 PM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#97928: Mar 10th 2019 at 11:56:02 AM

Well I just saw Cappn Mobble. So first off, the theater we saw it in had some problems. The lights never completely shut off and the screen was kinda blurry. So I didn't quite enjoy some bits as much as I wanted to. Not the movie's fault, to be fair.

Anyway. I liked it. I really really liked it. I think this is gonna rank rather high on my MCU rankings after more evaluation. Carol was obviously awesome but I also loved Maria, Monica and Talos. They provided some of the best moments in the movie.

Oh, and yes, I currently like it more than Infinity War. That is all for now!

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97929: Mar 10th 2019 at 12:08:32 PM

[up] Lol...I guess Auto Correct is responsible for that?

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#97930: Mar 10th 2019 at 12:19:33 PM

Just making a little pun.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97931: Mar 10th 2019 at 12:27:27 PM

[up]…Don't get it. But that is most likely just the language barrier.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#97932: Mar 10th 2019 at 12:29:17 PM

Capn Mobble is just a way I've seen some people jokingly type out/say Captain Marvel. I thought it was mildly amusing so I did it too.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97933: Mar 10th 2019 at 12:41:45 PM

Honestly I never really cared that much about Carol, she’s pretty white-bread all things considered.

The fun part is what comes after her, bring me Spectrum & Ms. Marvel.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 10th 2019 at 12:48:41 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#97934: Mar 10th 2019 at 12:47:29 PM

I didn't care that much for Carol in the comics, I mean, I liked her fine, but I wasn't super enthusiastic about her, to the point that the main reason I was looking forward to her movie was for the possibility of Kamala later, because I love Kamala. But the movie made me a lot more invested in Carol than I thought I would be, which is neat!

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97935: Mar 10th 2019 at 12:47:56 PM

[up][up]And Jessica Jones, technically.

Edited by HailMuffins on Mar 10th 2019 at 4:48:33 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#97936: Mar 10th 2019 at 12:50:11 PM

[up][up] I rather dislike comics-Carol.

Poor woman has an awful tendency of being written as a total asshat so it’s good that the movie actually made me like her for once.

[up] Technically yes considering she’s already out & about.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 10th 2019 at 12:50:45 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97937: Mar 10th 2019 at 12:55:00 PM

What I meant is Jessica Jones was created because originally BMB wanted to use Jessica Drew AKA Spider-Woman, for the Alias comic but the higher-ups didn't want anything related to Spider-Man on such a dark storyline, so he created Ms. Jones, who's pretty much a carbon copy of Drew.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97938: Mar 10th 2019 at 12:55:01 PM

It doesn't really matter what the characters are in the comics, what they do with them in the MCU counts.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97939: Mar 10th 2019 at 1:00:37 PM

Let me show off my useless comic book knowledge in peace, darn it![lol]

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#97940: Mar 10th 2019 at 1:10:06 PM

I haven't seen Captain Marvel, and I can't say anything about the "controversy" (in quotes because as far as I can tell it's manufactured by people looking for something to vent their rage on" that hasn't already been said by people more eloquent than I am, but I wanted to state that I agree with Hail Muffins on the Winter Soldier theme being my personal favorite.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97941: Mar 10th 2019 at 1:22:36 PM

The controversy is very one-sided overall. They picked the wrong target this time around. But it isn't over yet. They will continue to whine over Endgame and every future MCU project.

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#97942: Mar 10th 2019 at 1:27:18 PM

Only the ones that pass the Bechdel test.

You are not alone.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97943: Mar 10th 2019 at 1:40:40 PM

Oh, btw, Captain Marvel destroyed Rotten Tomatoes and turned Youtube into a censorship now.

(RT because of them tackling the trolls, Youtube because apparently some of the premium subscribers complained to youtube about their feed being floated with the Captain Marvel hate stuff, which lead to Youtube tweaking the algorithm in favour of the established outlets.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#97944: Mar 10th 2019 at 1:46:11 PM

This is a spoiler-heavy interview with Kevin Feige, but the spoiler-free part at the end was interesting:

That said, I'm going to name four things I would be very excited to see and you tell me which has been percolating in your mind or which is closest to coming to fruition.
OK.
The four things I really want are: Kamala Khan in the MCU, a Nova movie, an LGBT superhero or Taika Waititi announcing his next Marvel project.
Or? Or "and"? Can't we have all of them?
I would love all of them.
OK, "and!"
But which is closest to reality?
I think all of those are percolating and— Let's put it this way: They're all percolating. I do want to keep the focus on this one and on the immediate future, but everything you just named are percolating, some closer than others.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#97945: Mar 10th 2019 at 2:09:36 PM

Wouldn't read to much into this. Feige won't commit to anything. But you can bet that he always has an ear on the fandom and knows what would cause the most excitement.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#97946: Mar 10th 2019 at 2:28:51 PM

I agree that comics Carol is not a likable character. Civil War II was not her best moment.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#97947: Mar 10th 2019 at 2:31:27 PM

I've been going over CM in my head since yesterday, and now that I've had more time to think, I don't have any problem at all with Carol's character arc. People keep saying that her emotional level isn't high enough, that she's static, that she doesn't grow. At the very worst that puts her on par with most other Marvel heroes. Where is Steve Rogers' character growth? He goes from being super-patriotic, honest, and wimpy to... super-patriotic, honest, and buff. Even in his best film, Winter Soldier, he goes from being super loyal to Bucky to... being super loyal to Bucky.

I absolutely feel that this complaint is part of the double standard that is applied to female actors in action films, even to the point where people who are not sexist subconsciously apply it.

What is Carol's personality? Well, she's fun-loving, has a dry sense of humor, is brash and reckless, and her most important trait is that she never stops. She never gives up no matter what, but she also has a somewhat poor sense of her personal limits. That puts her at least on par with the other heroes, and I foresee some nice personality clashes with the rest of the Avengers team in Endgame.

The strongest "feminist" message in the film is that women keep getting told by men to "control their emotions, use their heads". This is patronizing in a very literal sense, and her rejection of it is her major point of character growth.

I also really want to watch it a second time, but we'll see if there's room in my schedule (and budget) for that.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 10th 2019 at 6:43:27 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#97948: Mar 10th 2019 at 2:45:18 PM

In the beginning of the film, when Yon-Rogg keeps talking about how Kree are in control of their emotions, I keep flashing back to Ronan in Guardians 1. Yup, that guy was super chill and in control all of the time. Sure. I guess he is more stoic in Captain Marvel, but I just thought it was funny.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#97949: Mar 10th 2019 at 2:53:18 PM

[up][up]There is a Character Development for Steve, but it is more prevalent between films: in the first movie he's bright and spunky and full of youthful optimism, in Winter Soldier he's...well, he's not. The trauma of losing his entire life has sucked out whatever joy of living he ever had, and through all subsequent movies he's clearly hanging on by a straw.

I do agree though, that in each movie by themselves there's very little in the way of change.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#97950: Mar 10th 2019 at 2:53:39 PM

[up][up]Well, he clearly took issue with that philosophy. cool

[up] And the Kree's indoctrination of Carol turned her into an emotionless combat machine ... or tried to. Recovering/rediscovering her old self is part of her arc. By the end of the film, she's noticeably kinder, looser, more "natural".

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 10th 2019 at 6:55:48 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

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